Juan Mata

[The Skipper 20,593]

it's like basketball, people assume cause you get assists, your a good passer/creative....

Russell westbrook avg like 7 assists a game and anyone that knows basketball will tell you how rubbish he is as a pg as with derrick rose.

TBH, that what Juan Mata reminds me of. A hybrid pg, someone whose natural position should be SG, however, they play pg cause of their size.

That's rubbish. Just because RW is an unorthodox PG doesn't mean he's a bad one. Yeah, he's not like your traditional PG but to say he's rubbish compared to someone like D. Rose is so far fetched.

Similarly, yeah, I could understand people who say Ozil is slightly better but to say Mata is not in Ozil's league is ridiculous, and to say Mata isn't a good passer or creative just because the number of assists he gets clouds that is also ridiculous.

Mata is one of the most creative no. 10's in the world. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise IMO.

[Korea 734]

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277/la-liga/2013/09/12/4257164/ozil-lacked-strength-to-fight-for-a-place-claims-zidane

and u should not disagree with somethin zidane says. infact i will take what zidane says over any "stories" of how he dint get money or things.

YEA GOAL.COM. Anyways, I already read that long time ago, however, you forget the person that lost his cool in the world cup and lost.

That's rubbish. Just because RW is an unorthodox PG doesn't mean he's a bad one. Yeah, he's not like your traditional PG but to say he's rubbish compared to someone like D. Rose is so far fetched.

Similarly, yeah, I could understand people who say Ozil is slightly better but to say Mata is not in Ozil's league is ridiculous, and to say Mata isn't a good passer or creative just because the number of assists he gets clouds that is also ridiculous.

Mata is one of the most creative no. 10's in the world. It's ridiculous to suggest otherwise IMO.

I said their both rubbish true pgs. You and your terrible basketball knowledge.

[didierforever 7,349]

YEA GOAL.COM. Anyways, I already read that long time ago, however, you forget the person that lost his cool in the world cup and lost.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/13/mesut-ozil-didnt-have-strength-to-fight-for-real-madrid-place-says-zinedine-zidane-3982276/

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1551302/zinedine-zidane-mesut-ozil-left-real-madrid-lack-fight

want me to find more sites with the same news? seems people cant accept the truth,

and since this was not the WC final and the fact that he dint head butt any reporter in the PC there, i think its safe to assume that zidane is right or due u think he loses his cool 24*7 because he lost his cool once. also i would rather accept what zidane says than the "FIBS AND STORIES" about how ozil wanted money but his dad blah blah blah...

[Korea 734]

http://metro.co.uk/2013/09/13/mesut-ozil-didnt-have-strength-to-fight-for-real-madrid-place-says-zinedine-zidane-3982276/

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1551302/zinedine-zidane-mesut-ozil-left-real-madrid-lack-fight

want me to find more sites with the same news? seems people cant accept the truth,

and since this was not the WC final and the fact that he dint head butt any reporter in the PC there, i think its safe to assume that zidane is right or due u think he loses his cool 24*7 because he lost his cool once. also i would rather accept what zidane says than the "FIBS AND STORIES" about how ozil wanted money but his dad blah blah blah...

When did I say the report wasn't true?

I love how people say he didn't want to fight for competition, when he started for Germany wc 2010 and real madrid soon after.

On a side note, Zidane was always known as a hothead, but you wouldn't know that since you didnt watch football than..

[Rom2013 446]

Ozil is a lot better than Mata, is a lot better than Isco, for me he is the best number 10 in the world by far.

The problem for Ozil is that Real Madrid is a special club, the best club in the history of this sport, and they want always more, and more. They wanted Bale, they bought Isco, they had Modric and they needed to sell one of them.

Modric can play in a lot of positions, Isco is better for tiki taka (and he is also spanish), so Ozil had to go because he wanted more money and because he had a lot of competition to enter in the starting eleven. It wouldn't be so dificult to play in any other team in the world.

Numbers are important in football, but for example Iniesta is better than Ozil and a lot better than Mata but looking for assists and goals he is worst.

[kellzfresh 7,229]

http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satellite/en/1193041476158/1330012508587/jugador/Jugador/Ozil.htm

http://espnfc.com/player/_/id/84775/mesut-%C3%B6zil

I'm not sure of your source. I think he played more matches than that in three years. Look at the one from barbara's site. I shows more assists above 90 for ozil and he had the highest assists in 3 years for europe, then messi was second.

But mata is a far better finisher though

[Barbara 15,149]

you want badmouth my lovely Mesut fine, you want to offend the sweetheart Juan, okay, but don't say a word against my legend Zinedine. For most part of my twenties I was convinced I would name a son after him - even though his name sounds horrible in portuguese - so I tend to react when someone says anything different than him being a legend

Can we at least agree that we all hope Mata will do better than Ozil? That's what really matters here. Mata is a Chelsea player, Ozil is not. So the obvious thing is for us to want Mata to be better than Ozil at the end of the season. I personally think it's unlikely, but that's what I'm hoping for!

[didierforever 7,349]

I'm not sure of your source. I think he played more matches than that in three years. Look at the one from barbara's site. I shows more assists above 90 for ozil and he had the highest assists in 3 years for europe, then messi was second.

But mata is a far better finisher though

its espn. barbara's sites show the stat inclusive of his NT stat. and last year he had 12 assists and 5 goals for germany itself.

plus my other site is the official RM site. dont think they would get it wrong.

[didierforever 7,349]

When did I say the report wasn't true?

I love how people say he didn't want to fight for competition, when he started for Germany wc 2010 and real madrid soon after.

On a side note, Zidane was always known as a hothead, but you wouldn't know that since you didnt watch football than..

starting for germny in WC 2010 and RM soon after,,, so??? there was no competition. germany at that point dint have a proper no.10. muller was barely out of his diapers. kroos was not starting xi material, gotze and reus were still playing for youth teams. so who exactly was his competition.

u must be kidding when u say RM, right? i mean are we supposed to take an always injured and past his prime, who does not even make his NT anymore kaka as his competition. tell me another good cam. all i remember is granero and canales. thats competition???

[The Skipper 20,593]

I said their both rubbish true pgs. You and your terrible basketball knowledge.

no idea why you think you know it all. One piece of advice - be open to other opinions instead of insulting people's opinion all the time. You're too close minded. On the ignore list.

[Korea 734]

starting for germny in WC 2010 and RM soon after,,, so??? there was no competition. germany at that point dint have a proper no.10. muller was barely out of his diapers. kroos was not starting xi material, gotze and reus were still playing for youth teams. so who exactly was his competition.

u must be kidding when u say RM, right? i mean are we supposed to take an always injured and past his prime, who does not even make his NT anymore kaka as his competition. tell me another good cam. all i remember is granero and canales. thats competition???

You mean the same germany squad that was 3rd place in 2006 and runners up to spain in 2008?

Or you mean Real Madrid squad that had KAKA who played in the world cup in 2010. (BTW, MATA doesnt do anything for spain if you didnt realize it).... Also, both Granero and Canales were highly regarded in spain at that time...

Your funny man, you dont even follow Madrid and you seem to think like you know what happen at Madrid with Ozil and Perez.

no idea why you think you know it all. One piece of advice - be open to other opinions instead of insulting people's opinion all the time. You're too close minded. On the ignore list.

That's cool brah.

HEY I saw PELE and Maradona play too. Im going to make observations on them too.

[Ainsley Harriott 2,732]

You mean the same germany squad that was 3rd place in 2006 and runners up to spain in 2008?

Or you mean Real Madrid squad that had KAKA who played in the world cup in 2010. (BTW, MATA doesnt do anything for spain if you didnt realize it).... Also, both Granero and Canales were highly regarded in spain at that time...

Your funny man, you dont even follow Madrid and you seem to think like you know what happen at Madrid with Ozil and Perez.

That's cool brah.

HEY I saw PELE and Maradona play too. Im going to make observations on them too.

U mad

[didierforever 7,349]

You mean the same germany squad that was 3rd place in 2006 and runners up to spain in 2008?

Or you mean Real Madrid squad that had KAKA who played in the world cup in 2010. (BTW, MATA doesnt do anything for spain if you didnt realize it).... Also, both Granero and Canales were highly regarded in spain at that time...

Your funny man, you dont even follow Madrid and you seem to think like you know what happen at Madrid with Ozil and Perez.

hahahaha... oh mr. know it all. ozil is the best cam in the world and very much comparable to granero and canales. BRILLIANT.

germany were 3rd in 2006WC and runner up in 2008 euro but talk about players that were in germany for WC 2010. rolfes, ballack, frings, kuranyi all out. was there any1 comparable to the world's best cam? or are u going to just tell me what positions germany got in euros and wc.

seems u actually dont know anything but go about saying the weirdest possible things.

i follow madrid enough to know what is going on with them. and let me get this straight. u think ozil is "A LEVEL ABOVE THAN MATA AND ISCO". but madrid, on isco's inclusion, deem ozil surplus. so probably the best player in world to have ever played (zidane) and one of the best managers in the world (carlo ancelotti) deemed that isco was a better player for RM (who want to win everythin and be the best in the world) than ozil. so THAT tells me more than your comparision.

i seriously think, u need to actually come up with a better argument. because when u give a statement like "ozil is a level above than mata",i would think that u actually might think so for a reason or atleast have decent argument for the statement. but since u think so just because ozil plays for germany but mata does not for spain, i would like to say that this is the weakest and most pathetic argument i have seen by any1 in a long long time.

[Korea 734]

hahahaha... oh mr. know it all. ozil is the best cam in the world and very much comparable to granero and canales. BRILLIANT.

germany were 3rd in 2006WC and runner up in 2008 euro but talk about players that were in germany for WC 2010. rolfes, ballack, frings, kuranyi all out. was there any1 comparable to the world's best cam? or are u going to just tell me what positions germany got in euros and wc.

seems u actually dont know anything but go about saying the weirdest possible things.

i follow madrid enough to know what is going on with them. and let me get this straight. u think ozil is "A LEVEL ABOVE THAN MATA AND ISCO". but madrid, on isco's inclusion, deem ozil surplus. so probably the best player in world to have ever played (zidane) and one of the best managers in the world (carlo ancelotti) deemed that isco was a better player for RM (who want to win everythin and be the best in the world) than ozil. so THAT tells me more than your comparision.

i seriously think, u need to actually come up with a better argument. because when u give a statement like "ozil is a level above than mata",i would think that u actually might think so for a reason or atleast have decent argument for the statement. but since u think so just because ozil plays for germany but mata does not for spain, i would like to say that this is the weakest and most pathetic argument i have seen by any1 in a long long time.

First of all, not ever team is setup to have a number 10...Second of all, Germany always had a fantastic team ever since 2002. Were you even born than to know that?

Do you know how much resentment Perez received for the sale of Ozil, not just from fans but from his teammates as well. Also, when did they ever say that they ISCO WAS A BETTER PLAYER FOR RM???

You need to buy cable mang and stop watching your 240p streams. Go take some time and clean your glasses and watch things better... Only hardcore Chelsea homers would say Mata and Ozil is similar, just like how delusional Liverpool fans think Coutinho is the second coming of Ronaldinho and how United fans thought Kagawa was somehow going to explode on a team that emphasizes wing play. I guarantee if you ask Jose what he thinks, he would laugh at your face.

You would think if Mata was as good as Ozil, he would start over Oscar no problem, but he doesnt..... SO

Another crazy thing is Mata's been fit this whole time, yet both Santi and Silva have been injured and they still got called up for the NT... You know what that means?? Silva and Santi are both ahead of Mata as is Isco now.

[carayip 15]

i follow madrid enough to know what is going on with them. and let me get this straight. u think ozil is "A LEVEL ABOVE THAN MATA AND ISCO". but madrid, on isco's inclusion, deem ozil surplus. so probably the best player in world to have ever played (zidane) and one of the best managers in the world (carlo ancelotti) deemed that isco was a better player for RM (who want to win everythin and be the best in the world) than ozil. so THAT tells me more than your comparision.

To be fair, our great Chelsea manager Jose has also deemed Oscar to be a better player than Mata. Sometimes a team or manager thinks or does doesn't always tell the whole story. So your example of Madrid preferring Isco to Ozil can't really prove anything of Ozil's capability as a player.

[didierforever 7,349]

First of all, not ever team is setup to have a number 10...Second of all, Germany always had a fantastic team ever since 2002. Were you even born than to know that?

Do you know how much resentment Perez received for the sale of Ozil, not just from fans but from his teammates as well. Also, when did they ever say that they ISCO WAS A BETTER PLAYER FOR RM???

You need to buy cable mang and stop watching your 240p streams. Go take some time and clean your glasses and watch things better... Only hardcore Chelsea homers would say Mata and Ozil is similar, just like how delusional Liverpool fans think Coutinho is the second coming of Ronaldinho and how United fans thought Kagawa was somehow going to explode on a team that emphasizes wing play. I guarantee if you ask Jose what he thinks, he would laugh at your face.

You would think if Mata was as good as Ozil, he would start over Oscar no problem, but he doesnt..... SO

Another crazy thing is Mata's been fit this whole time, yet both Santi and Silva have been injured and they still got called up for the NT... You know what that means?? Silva and Santi are both ahead of Mata as is Isco now.

when i was born and watching football is none of your concern. TELL ME WHO WAS GERMANY'S NO.10 IN THE WC 2010 APART FROM OZIL. also germany plays with 4-2-3-1. so while every team might not have a no.10, germany definitely do. another time u have dodged this question. its getting pretty embarassing now.

they dint say isco was a better player, but the sale of ozil says he is pretty replacable. not something u would expect for the best cam in the world, right? i mean which team sells the world's best player???

u need to get a brain to understand football, but since u have been dealt a bad hand by god himself, who am i to complain.

if u want to give another stupid argument that mata should start over oscar, if he is that good, then if ozil is the best player in the world then he should have no problems in the RM team, right?

i thought mata too got called up for NT. by the way, when did NT be the criteria to see who the best player was?did ribery win his "best player in europe" award for his performances with france? as far as the NT goes. what has ozil won? mata has a WC and euros with spain, add to it his CL and EL with chelsea. tell me what has ozil won with one od the best clubs in europe (rm) and one of the best NT in the world (germany). seems people would go to any idiotic and senile levels to defend their arguments. keep up the charades!!!!

[didierforever 7,349]

To be fair, our great Chelsea manager Jose has also deemed Oscar to be a better player than Mata. Sometimes a team or manager thinks or does doesn't always tell the whole story. So your example of Madrid preferring Isco to Ozil can't really prove anything of Ozil's capability as a player.

i was not the one saying "ozil is a level above than mata in creativity", he was. hence that argument. dont think it can in any way come back to me.

as for jose deeming oscar "a better player", i dont think so. jose wanted mata to adapt to his way. mata had played 45 minutes in the pre-season and against villa, he seemed match-unfit and physically unfit. mata needed the time. also jose wanted a no.10, who can defend. comeback and do a number on the opposition midfielder. if the point had been solely about who was more creative, it would be a no-brainer.

[Korea 734]

when i was born and watching football is none of your concern. TELL ME WHO WAS GERMANY'S NO.10 IN THE WC 2010 APART FROM OZIL. also germany plays with 4-2-3-1. so while every team might now have a no.10, germany definitely do. another time u have dodged this question. its getting pretty embarassing now.

they dint say isco was a better player, but the sale of ozil says he is pretty replacable. not something u would expect for the best cam in the world, right? i mean which team sells the world's best player???

u need to get a brain to understand football, but since u have been dealt a bad hand by god himself, who am i to complain.

if u want to give another stupid argument that mata should start over oscar, if he is that good, then if ozil is the best player in the world then he should have no problems in the RM team, right?

i thought mata too got called up for NT. by the way, when did NT be the criteria to see who the best player was?did ribery win his "best player in europe" award for his performances with france? as far as the NT goes. what has ozil won? mata has a WC and euros with spain, add to it his CL and EL with chelsea. tell me what has ozil won with one od the best clubs in europe (rm) and one of the best NT in the world (germany). seems people would go to any idiotic and senile levels to defend their arguments. keep up the charades!!!!

Germany didnt play with a number 10 during 2002 though 2008.... Spain still doesn't play with a solo number 10 as doesn't a lot of other countries... SURE IS GETTING EMBARRASSING.

So, I guess when Makelele left Madrid he also left due to fear of competition. WAIT, is that why Jose left RM TOO? Cause Zidane was going to take over eventually...

SO, if Cristiano left RM, I GUESS THAT MEANT BALE BEAT HIM OUT or he was scared of competition as well.

Also by your last argument I guess fernando torres is better than cavani, falcao, messi and cristiano.

Take your medication brah.