Romelu Lukaku

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We are going round in circles here, fact is you haven't come up with one good counter argument, you tried by comparing Lukaku to De Bruyne which backfired on you as they are very different.

there is really nothing you can say to prove me wrong, only Lukaku can prove me wrong by going to a top team, face competition for the number 1 spot, get dropped and then not sulk and instead fight to earn his place back, if Lukaku can do that then I will say I was wrong, but I know that won't happen, Lukaku would no doubt sulk and leave if he ever loses his place in the team. Only top club who may sign him is Man United as they currently don't have any top strikers, but I doubt they would ever be satisfied with Lukaku as their number 1 striker and they would just sign a real top striker and Lukaku would inevitably sulk again.

We are going around in cirlces but the conclusion is that you cannot say a player being scared of competition means they will not make it at a big club when KDB proved otherwise.

For the record I don't actually think they were scared of competition. I think they just know how Mourinho works. His lack of rotation says a lot.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

We are going around in cirlces but the conclusion is that you cannot say a player being scared of competition means they will not make it at a big club when KDB proved otherwise.

For the record I don't actually think they were scared of competition. I think they just know how Mourinho works. His lack of rotation says a lot.

why on earth do you keep comparing Lukaku to kdb? such a lazy comparison that makes little sense.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

we would be better than we are ... DONT you ever think before you shout your mouth off with BS .. check their current ratings either Opta or squwaka,, and compare with YOUR stars

just reading your post again, i see you said 'YOUR stars' what do you mean by that? are you not a Chelsea fan? or do you just not want to be asociated with the Chelsea players? you seem to defend players like De Bruyne, Lukaku and David Luiz and then refer to Chelsea players as your stars as if they have no connection to yourself, i find that very strange, and the funny thing is i gaurantee not only you but the other few people who spend so much energy trying to defend De Bruyne and Lukaku whenever i speak the truth about them or give my opinion on them, if they were wearing Chelsea shirts and were in bad form you and the others who defend them would be slating them, but because they dont play for Chelsea you and the few others praise them no matter what. I find that very strange.

[Blue_Fox_ 2,086]

we would be better than we are ... DONT you ever think before you shout your mouth off with BS .. check their current ratings either Opta or squwaka,, and compare with YOUR stars

like......what?

[Essien19 1,415]

We are going around in cirlces but the conclusion is that you cannot say a player being scared of competition means they will not make it at a big club when KDB proved otherwise.

For the record I don't actually think they were scared of competition. I think they just know how Mourinho works. His lack of rotation says a lot.

KdB left Chelsea two years ago, at that time he wanted to play more and prove himself.

Back in the day Chelsea had the likes of Hazard, Willian, Schuerrle, Mata, Oscar and Kevin de Bruyne.

Mourinho gave KdB playing time, he earned motm.

But he wasn't mentally ready for participating in the competition with the other expensive and good players.

He could not accept sitting on the bench for some games, but the clubs best player Juan Mata should be awarded playing time too, similiar to the 40 mio.

investment Willian, who is playing worldclass for quite some time.

This year City has bought a different player, his progress is clear as daylight.

After two years, youngsters change, that's life.

Furthermore the sheikh payed around 80 million Euros, more expensive than Aguero or Merlin!

Such a player gets a different kind of recognition, thats Perez philosophy!

Yes, Mourinho made a mistake by letting him go, but it's not that easy to always make the right judgement call!

Yes, he is earning millions, but life isn't that simple!

Kenedy and Loftus-Cheek are rewarded more and more playing time.

I don't agree that youngers don't get chances under the Portuguese.

I don't agree with Pacquiao on all points. I think KdB cuts it at City and is already making a difference.

Otherwise i think he has got a point.

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why on earth do you keep comparing Lukaku to kdb? such a lazy comparison that makes little sense.

Because your point is that players who don't like to compete will not make it at top clubs. I have contradicted that view with players such as KDB. Lukaku is 2 years younger and I think with time, possible around when he reaches 24 too, he may be at a top club. Would not be surprised at all.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Because your point is that players who don't like to compete will not make it at top clubs. I have contradicted that view with players such as KDB. Lukaku is 2 years younger and I think with time, possible around when he reaches 24 too, he may be at a top club. Would not be surprised at all.

and as i already said De Bruyne doesnt come into that bracket, De Bruyne was up for the fight but didnt see eye to eye with Jose i dont believe players like De Bruyne, Sturridge or Luiz were scared of competing for a place in the team, Lukaku was.

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and as i already said De Bruyne doesnt come into that bracket, De Bruyne was up for the fight but didnt see eye to eye with Jose i dont believe players like De Bruyne, Sturridge or Luiz were scared of competing for a place in the team, Lukaku was.

But Mourinho said both Lukaku and KDB did not want to compete. You just made your own interpretation and said it was because they did not see eye to eye.

[Vincent 402]

I think the choise was quite easy; after scoring 17 goals at West Bromwich Albion clubs will just line up for you. Choosing between the bench at Chelsea or one of those clubs is quite easy to me.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I think the choise was quite easy; after scoring 17 goals at West Bromwich Albion clubs will just line up for you. Choosing between the bench at Chelsea or one of those clubs is quite easy to me.

Well if you hav that attitude and lack self belief, to think that you cant get into the Chelsea first team ahead of Torres, Eto'o and Ba, then it makes sense why you will never make it at a top club.

[Vincent 402]

Well if you hav that attitude and lack self belief, to think that you cant get into the Chelsea first team ahead of Torres, Eto'o and Ba, then it makes sense why you will never make it at a top club.

I believe he was 18 when he joined Chelsea, i cannot think of any player at age 18, 19 that has been first striker for one full season at a top team. You could label it as lack of self belief i would rather call it realism.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I believe he was 18 when he joined Chelsea, i cannot think of any player at age 18,19 that has been first striker for one full season at a top team. You could label it as lack of self belief i would rather call it realism.

Who mentioned anything about him when he was 18??? I am talking about after 2 good loan spells at WBA and Everton, he was clearly ready to try and make a step up at Chelsea, he proved he was good enough for the PL and wasn't a one season wonder, but saw Torres and Ba and didn't back his ability, and wanted to take the easy option of remaining at a average team, so yes I do call it a lack of self belief.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Who mentioned anything about him when he was 18??? I am talking about after 2 good loan spells at WBA and Everton, he was clearly ready to try and make a step up at Chelsea, he proved he was good enough for the PL and wasn't a one season wonder, but saw Torres and Ba and didn't back his ability, and wanted to take the easy option of remaining at a average team, so yes I do call it a lack of self belief.

They were already talking with Costa before he signed for Everton. Obviously Costa would have been first choice, this would have meant playing league cup games and getting the occasional 30 minutes to prove his worth. Kind of pointless. He's learning much more now and made a smart move.

[Vincent 402]

Who mentioned anything about him when he was 18??? I am talking about after 2 good loan spells at WBA and Everton, he was clearly ready to try and make a step up at Chelsea, he proved he was good enough for the PL and wasn't a one season wonder, but saw Torres and Ba and didn't back his ability, and wanted to take the easy option of remaining at a average team, so yes I do call it a lack of self belief.

I did mention anything about him when he was 18. Because there are no player around that age playing full seasons at top teams, let alone players with his qualites. And Chelsea isn't the club that is known for its sympathy for young players when it comes to getting chances to prove yourself in the first squad. To me he has made a realistic choice and it has been proven the right one.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

They were already talking with Costa before he signed for Everton. Obviously Costa would have been first choice, this would have meant playing league cup games and getting the occasional 30 minutes to prove his worth. Kind of pointless. He's learning much more now and made a smart move.

No we wasn't, after we let Lukaku go we bought in Eto'o and no it wasn't a smart move, he would have learned and developed way more at Chelsea, how many top players today played for Mickey mouse teams at 22/23 years old without any real CL experience also? Not many at all.

I know if I was a pro I would rather learn from and train with a top team surrounded by world class players and a world class manager, rather then go to an average team and learn to be mediocre and get used to not winning.

I gaurantee if Ronaldo had not believed in himself and stayed in Lisbon until he was 22/23 years old he would never have won a Ballon D'or going to United and learning from Fergie and learning from top players at such a young age helped make him the player we see today.

[Special Juan 27,429]

I think it hurts 'some' CFC fans that he has gone on to do very, very well for himself after leaving here. Everton was a great move for him, he's doing great stuff there under a manager who gets him as a footballer and what he is trying to achieve.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I did mention anything about him when he was 18. Because there are no player around that age playing full seasons at top teams, let alone players with his qualites. And Chelsea isn't the club that is known for its sympathy for young players when it comes to getting chances to prove yourself in the first squad. To me he has made a realistic choice and it has been proven the right one.

Yes the right choice if he wants a mediocre career of just being a decent PL goalscorer with no silverware or CL experience, fact is it hasn't proven to be the right choice if he wants to ever become a world class striker, there isn't exactly a long line of elite teams queuing up to sign him is there? Why? Because he is yet to prove himself at a top club, so it's a risky investment for any top team to sign him, if one does it will most likely to be to become a 2nd or 3rd choice striker, which would be just what Lukaku would want. LOL

[Pacquiao 1,834]

I think it hurts 'some' CFC fans that he has gone on to do very, very well for himself after leaving here. Everton was a great move for him, he's doing great stuff there under a manager who gets him as a footballer and what he is trying to achieve.

LOL i don't think people are hurt, I am personally frustrated with him as he had the world at his feet, and has thrown it away, he could have been a top European striker right now had he believed in himself, but he is happy now to score goals for a medicore team, I want to see Lukaku man up at some point and have a go trying to make it at a top club one last time but I just don't think he has it in him.