Have we underachieved in the Roman era?

[warnie_666 1,081]

The fact that greats like Lampard, Drogba, Terry , Essien, Cech have won only 3 titles in their prime and No Champions League is proof that we have underachieved and the blame lies with the Board.

The 04-05 and 05-06 team HAS got to be the best team to have never won the Champions League and you can blame the luck for all you want but the fact remains this team deserved more than it achieved and it's a shame that they are still without a Champions League.

[zolayes 14,489]

The fact that greats like Lampard, Drogba, Terry , Essien, Cech have won only 3 titles in their prime and No Champions League is proof that we have underachieved and the blame lies with the Board.

The 04-05 and 05-06 team HAS got to be the best team to have never won the Champions League and you can blame the luck for all you want but the fact remains this team deserved more than it achieved and it's a shame that they are still without a Champions League.

ok we hear what you keep saying ..BUT most disagree with you ... Just accept they are entitled to their views..

[warnie_666 1,081]

ok we hear what you keep saying ..BUT most disagree with you ... Just accept they are entitled to their views..

That doesn't mean I have to stop posting my views just as you haven't stopped posting yours

[zolayes 14,489]

That doesn't mean I have to stop posting my views just as you haven't stopped posting yours

why not watch the cricket ,,,, 683 -6

[BLionheart 516]

Well Let's break this down ....

2003-2004 : EPL runners-up (very good considering this was our 1st season in roman's era)

2004-2005: EPL winners (Superb achievement specially because of the way it was delivered)

2005-2006: EPL winners (Superb achievement specially because of the way it was delivered , Although getting out of UCL was a dissapointement)

2006-2007: EPL runners up and UCL semi-finals (Big disappointment after the last two seasons but acceptable for the same reason )

2007-2008: EPL runners up and UCL runners up (Huge disappointment as it's another year without an EPL or UCL title)

2008-2009: EPL runners up and UCL semi-finals (another huge disappointment specially because of the bad display during scolari's time)

2009 - 2010: EPL winners and UCL quarter-finals ( Not a bad season as we won our 1st double but not a good one considering how we were humiliated for the 1st time in 7 years in the UCL , and considering that we had no challengers in the EPL.

2010-2011 : EPL runners up and UCL quarter-finals(The biggest disappointment of all , another humiliation in the UCL and how did Man utd capture another league title with the squad they had is beyond me)

So to summarize we had 3 good/great season and we had 5 seasons of disappointment , if we had 2 or 3 seasons at the start of the roman era without winning titles i would have understand but since we had a great start winning 2 EPL titles in a classy way and since we had already established ourselves as a big team the following six years was a big disappointment.

[zolayes 14,489]

Well Let's break this down ....

2003-2004 : EPL runners-up (very good considering this was our 1st season in roman's era)

2004-2005: EPL winners (Superb achievement specially because of the way it was delivered)

2005-2006: EPL winners (Superb achievement specially because of the way it was delivered , Although getting out of UCL was a dissapointement)

2006-2007: EPL runners up and UCL semi-finals (Big disappointment after the last two seasons but acceptable for the same reason )

2007-2008: EPL runners up and UCL runners up (Huge disappointment as it's another year without an EPL or UCL title)

2008-2009: EPL runners up and UCL semi-finals (another huge disappointment specially because of the bad display during scolari's time)

2009 - 2010: EPL winners and UCL quarter-finals ( Not a bad season as we won our 1st double but not a good one considering how we were humiliated for the 1st time in 7 years in the UCL , and considering that we had no challengers in the EPL.

2010-2011 : EPL runners up and UCL quarter-finals(The biggest disappointment of all , another humiliation in the UCL and how did Man utd capture another league title with the squad they had is beyond me)

So to summarize we had 3 good/great season and we had 5 seasons of disappointment , if we had 2 or 3 seasons at the start of the roman era without winning titles i would have understand but since we had a great start winning 2 EPL titles in a classy way and since we had already established ourselves as a big team the following six years was a big disappointment.

join warnie and have a wake to celebrate the demise of CFC

[warnie_666 1,081]

join warnie and have a wake to celebrate the demise of CFC

Err..... underachievement of a club is synonymous to demise of a club? Stupid assumption...

People who live in denial and assume things are rosy frustrate me.

Answer this zolayes since you have been so passionately saying we have not underachieved.

Don't you think players of the caliber of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Essien, Cech deserve a Champions League medal?

[zolayes 14,489]

Err..... underachievement of a club is synonymous to demise of a club? Stupid assumption...

People who live in denial and assume things are rosy frustrate me.

Answer this zolayes since you have been so passionately saying we have not underachieved.

Don't you think players of the caliber of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Essien, Cech deserve a Champions League medal?

Err..... underachievement of a club is synonymous to demise of a club? Stupid assumption...

People who live in denial and assume things are rosy frustrate me.

Answer this zolayes since you have been so passionately saying we have not underachieved.

Don't you think players of the caliber of Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Essien, Cech deserve a Champions League medal?

you are so ingrained in your conviction nothing will persuade you .. Zola deserved an EPL title ..if he had stayed 2 years longer he would have

got one ... To say we have failed because certain players didnt get a CL medal is childish in the extreme . .I will leave you and your friend

to share your misery together ,,,I prefer to remember the happy times .

[warnie_666 1,081]

I prefer to remember the happy times .

Zola has underacheived and so has ballack in his career and so have the current Chelsea core.

But I give up as you lot prefer to live in denial. Sweet dreamzzz

[BLionheart 516]

join warnie and have a wake to celebrate the demise of CFC

So that's your reply !!! you have successfully proved me wrong

[zolayes 14,489]

So that's your reply !!! you have successfully proved me wrong

check the vote 22 6

[BLionheart 516]

check the vote 22 6

Create another voting topic on this forum and ask what's the greatest team in the world right now ?

I bet chelsea will win , but are we the greatest team in the world ? No , we are not .

I love chelsea but unlike others i can admit that we are miles away from being the greatest football team , hope you get my point.

[5354 204]

considering the amt of investment we put into the squad... not only the board has a part in it. i think the players themselves are partly overrated?

Sad to say mikel, kalou and probably malouda seems "bad" at that point of time

[warnie_666 1,081]

check the vote 22 6

Poll means fuckall. Majority here wanted Carlo out

[nadavTKL 1,787]

If there was a poll of "Who's the best team in the world" Chelsea wouldn't win it. You obviously dont know this forum if you say that.

And warnie_666, whats you point? Carlo should have got sacked, and he did.

BLionheart,

2006-2007: Wierd season, a lot of injuries, finishing second and lost our title, but winning the FA CUP against Man U in the final. 2 titles, not a bad season.

Im not counting 2003/2004 because it wasnt the same team, the Chelsea you see now, and the Chelsea that people know as one of

the best teams in the world, is the Chelsea of Morinhou.

I think you need to look more at the big picture, you are not considering the lack of experience our club had as a top club. Its not that

easy to come from almost nowhere and competing with huge clubs in Englend and in the CL. I read what both of you said,

I get your point, but im suggesting you to look very closly at Man City in the coming years. And look now on the reaction of people

to City, why people dont taking them more seriously? im not saying people dont take them seriously, but with the

squad and money they have, they should have been appreciated way more. And its becuase of there football, and because of there

lack of experience. We had alot, A LOT of luck that we got a genius to start this team, without Jose I dont know what Chelsea was today,

maybe this project would have failed. And you can see that after Jose got sacked, we didnt have a storng character manager that could

face Roman and do what HE wants. Roman is a very difficult humanbein. Alot of our problems are because of Roman's decisions,

but what can you say? I cant complain about him even if he will left tommorow. He's responsible for almost all, the good and the bad.

Its not a fantasy world, you cant have it all in a split of a second just because of your money and players, there are many big,

rich clubs with a big name on them, teams who hated to see us coming from nowhere and become better than them or at

least int there level. Those clubs still got the fancy history and experience, mentality, and we did our very best to win them

even if we are lack of those things. And we did it very well. 3 PL titles, 3 FA Cups, a CL final and deserved one more final, but uefa

took it from us. Maybe in that year we would have won it? i dont want to think about that, but you need to consider it.

We where the only team ever to do what we did, try to think about that also.

[zolayes 14,489]

Zola has underacheived and so has ballack in his career and so have the current Chelsea core.

But I give up as you lot prefer to live in denial. Sweet dreamzzz

ZOLA has underachieved ,,,,this must be the quote of century

[eldo 868]

Create another voting topic on this forum and ask what's the greatest team in the world right now ?

I bet chelsea will win , but are we the greatest team in the world ? No , we are not .

I love chelsea but unlike others i can admit that we are miles away from being the greatest football team , hope you get my point.

So what's your point? That we are a small team? I seriously don't get that Barca wankfest, 10 years ago they were nothing.

And stop writing like that, it's stupid.

[Guest justin_3d]

I still say that a standard has to be measured. And so far Chelsea was the first to do the big owner thing in modern times.

Now that City is in the top 4, we can measure how they do, and compare how we did with when Roman came.

Cause i don't think measuring City from where the Sheik bought them is fair. They where not even a team worth contending for.

While Chelsea was when Roman came. Chelsea back then was what you could call a modern day Spurs. Fighting for top places, CL, and stuff, but not enough injection of cash to take them to the next level.

Which kinda leaves me thinking why the Sheik not went for a team like that. If any club that is able to become the next Chelsea are those clubs like Spurs, Villareal for Spain, and maybe add Everton in the mix.

They have a good core, but their investment is not that big.

So once we see how other clubs do in top places with a rich owner, then we will know if Chelsea project was one of a kind, or we have underachieved as compare to other clubs.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Had JT scored that PK this topic wouldn't even exist.

[nadavTKL 1,787]

I still say that a standard has to be measured. And so far Chelsea was the first to do the big owner thing in modern times.

Now that City is in the top 4, we can measure how they do, and compare how we did with when Roman came.

Cause i don't think measuring City from where the Sheik bought them is fair. They where not even a team worth contending for.

While Chelsea was when Roman came. Chelsea back then was what you could call a modern day Spurs. Fighting for top places, CL, and stuff, but not enough injection of cash to take them to the next level.

Which kinda leaves me thinking why the Sheik not went for a team like that. If any club that is able to become the next Chelsea are those clubs like Spurs, Villareal for Spain, and maybe add Everton in the mix.

They have a good core, but their investment is not that big.

So once we see how other clubs do in top places with a rich owner, then we will know if Chelsea project was one of a kind, or we have underachieved as compare to other clubs.

About City, as i said in my first post, City did started in a different way than us, but look at there squad in 2009/2010 and 2010/2011,

dont you think they have unbelievably underachieved? I mean, ffs, with all those players they didnt get to the Top 4, spuds beated them!!!!

And than they brought YToure, Kolarov, Silva, Balotely, and they still didnt make a real impression on someone until the 1-0 against

United in the FA cup semi-final. Before that? we, with our rubbish form beated them 2-0 easliy.

Manchester City, The Abu Dhabi version, are already big underachievers. But again, they can change it and amazes us all.

We didnt amazed anyone, because for the first minute Mourinou came, we were the absulute best in the country. Our players partnership

with Jose was like...all sparks.

Had JT scored that PK this topic wouldn't even exist.

Very true.