BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 You're just such a great guy, i didn't mean to hurt you but please keep posting man!, don't give up okay!. I love you.No bad feelings at all, peace man Kojo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teignman 441 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 A year or two ago, I would've been overjoyed with Marin's signing. Now, not so much. He's been in poor form this season, and injured (though his lack of fitness could explain his form). However, he's certainly young enough to regain his form and improve as a player. Overall, I think he's a positive addition and hopefully this is further evidence that we are changing our ways in the market. He's young, has a high upside, cost very little, has resale value, and if he turns out to be a gem, we can get a couple contracts out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 A year or two ago, I would've been overjoyed with Marin's signing. Now, not so much. He's been in poor form this season, and injured (though his lack of fitness could explain his form). However, he's certainly young enough to regain his form and improve as a player. Overall, I think he's a positive addition and hopefully this is further evidence that we are changing our ways in the market. He's young, has a high upside, cost very little, has resale value, and if he turns out to be a gem, we can get a couple contracts out of him.This. He is great team player aswell. Definately not selfish guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted April 28, 2012 Share Posted April 28, 2012 Well, but we are not in Spain are we? And I hate that tiki-taka style of play, means no thanks to have more barca style football or players.They are(were) best team in EU for some time now, but I dont like them at all.The game we played in 2009/10 was just great if you ask me, lots of goals, creative play, strong defence and we beated Arsenal, Livpool and United double times. Nothing can compare to that (unless we win cl this year).We are english club, not some fancy spain oscar nominees...Mata is still great, dont get me wrong. But to have squad of 170cm sized players, no thanks :?I honestly don't know what to say to you in response to that, I'll give it a whirl but Im honestly flabbergasted.No I suppose the geographical location of Chelsea football club is not within the borders of Spain. Though you may hate the tika-taka style, it works and Im not entirely sure whether Roman Abramovich plans on basing the club's football philosophy on your likes and dislikes, also I dont think the single signing of Marko Marin will usher in a new era of tika-taka at Chelsea, if we sign Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Messi and a couple of others then ye we might see some more tika-take at the Bridge but I doubt we will be able to entice them into joining us. Were we talking about a club who play beautiful football but win nothing (kinda like Arsenal) then you might have a point, however Barcelona are the most successful club team in the last 5 years and Spain the most successful country. Obviously not every player is that height, Busquets, Abidal and Pique are all fairly tall. Im not sure either what the fascination with height is. We all know that we have desperately needed a tricky, quick, creative wide player for quite some time, Marin seems to fit that bill so yes, Im very much looking forward to his arrival at Chelsea. MGuerreiro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I honestly don't know what to say to you in response to that, I'll give it a whirl but Im honestly flabbergasted.No I suppose the geographical location of Chelsea football club is not within the borders of Spain. Though you may hate the tika-taka style, it works and Im not entirely sure whether Roman Abramovich plans on basing the club's football philosophy on your likes and dislikes, also I dont think the single signing of Marko Marin will usher in a new era of tika-taka at Chelsea, if we sign Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Messi and a couple of others then ye we might see some more tika-take at the Bridge but I doubt we will be able to entice them into joining us. Were we talking about a club who play beautiful football but win nothing (kinda like Arsenal) then you might have a point, however Barcelona are the most successful club team in the last 5 years and Spain the most successful country. Obviously not every player is that height, Busquets, Abidal and Pique are all fairly tall. Im not sure either what the fascination with height is. We all know that we have desperately needed a tricky, quick, creative wide player for quite some time, Marin seems to fit that bill so yes, Im very much looking forward to his arrival at Chelsea.I am looking to see Marin in chelsea very much too, Happy with the signing, but from your post, you think barca style is only way to win in football today? Far from that. In 2009/10 we actualy had team that would beat barca, if inter wouldnt throw us out (they eliminated barca aswell). That team was strong and resembled english football. I want chelsea to keep that tradition. I know roman dont gives s*** what I or you think of chelsea philosophy, but Chelsea is known for its strong defence and quick counters, that can beat anyone. We dont need barca style to win CL or PL... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hysteria 159 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I honestly don't know what to say to you in response to that, I'll give it a whirl but Im honestly flabbergasted.No I suppose the geographical location of Chelsea football club is not within the borders of Spain. Though you may hate the tika-taka style, it works and Im not entirely sure whether Roman Abramovich plans on basing the club's football philosophy on your likes and dislikes, also I dont think the single signing of Marko Marin will usher in a new era of tika-taka at Chelsea, if we sign Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Messi and a couple of others then ye we might see some more tika-take at the Bridge but I doubt we will be able to entice them into joining us.Were we talking about a club who play beautiful football but win nothing (kinda like Arsenal) then you might have a point, however Barcelona are the most successful club team in the last 5 years and Spain the most successful country. Obviously not every player is that height, Busquets, Abidal and Pique are all fairly tall.Im not sure either what the fascination with height is. We all know that we have desperately needed a tricky, quick, creative wide player for quite some time, Marin seems to fit that bill so yes, Im very much looking forward to his arrival at Chelsea.Height is also important sometimes, for example if Barcelona have had a tall striker maybe they could cause more damage with corners (they cannot pass -well, they win some chances- our wall with their current style). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Height is also important sometimes, for example if Barcelona have had a tall striker maybe they could cause more damage with corners (they cannot pass -well, they win some chances- our wall with their current style).They had a tall striker, Zlatan Ibrahimovic (one of the best lone strikers of his generation) but the experiment failed, it turned out he hindered Barcelona more than helped. Im not saying that a tall striker wouldn't go astray at Barcelona, but as is well mentioned by ZonalMarking recently, the problem is when the big striker became part of Barcelona's plan A rather than being a plan B. Term-X 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I bet our squad we will have next year, if they will not be strong, but small pacey players, we will lost to barca if face them. Irony, we would spend milions and yet fail to win agains team, we did this year, because of strong, experienced players. And Mata, player we will use as our centre, has been invisible there. We never had problems with barca, because we play special style that doesn suits them. Different than United, City or Arsenal...And I dont want to change that. This was and is the true power of Chelsea. Strong squad with players like Lamps, Ballack,... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I am looking to see Marin in chelsea very much too, Happy with the signing,but from your post, you think barca style is only way to win in football today? Far from that. In 2009/10 we actualy had team that would beat barca, if inter wouldnt throw us out (they eliminated barca aswell). That team was strong and resembled english football. I want chelsea to keep that tradition. I know roman dont gives s*** what I or you think of chelsea philosophy, but Chelsea is known for its strong defence and quick counters, that can beat anyone. We dont need barca style to win CL or PL...Obviously the Barcelona style is not the only way to win football games (though you could argue that, with the right players, it is the best way). Im not even saying that Chelsea should adapt that style of play (imagine how difficult it would be to restructure the club from top to bottom) all I am simply saying is what has been said on this forum roughly 10 million times, that is that we could do with more creativity in the side, so that we have a bit more guile and ability to break down smaller teams who park the bus or resolute defences. Let's not forget that during that double winning season, we were comprehensively knocked out by Inter Milan, the general consensus after the game amongst Chelsea fans was that we desperately needed more creativity in the side to break them down because the physical approach didn't work. Our current crop of players are suited to playing a physical type of game, however I dont see why we shouldn't mix in a bit of class and creativity with that (with signings like Mata and Marin) and hopefully we see more of that in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieran. 6,317 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 An encouraging sign going into the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hysteria 159 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 They had a tall striker, Zlatan Ibrahimovic (one of the best lone strikers of his generation) but the experiment failed, it turned out he hindered Barcelona more than helped. Im not saying that a tall striker wouldn't go astray at Barcelona, but as is well mentioned by ZonalMarking recently, the problem is when the big striker became part of Barcelona's plan A rather than being a plan B.After the match a lot of cules want a classic striker (tall and athletic like Llorente or Gomez). The thing is, i think is important to have differente type players to have variety, players who can bring something different to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I bet our squad we will have next year, if they will not be strong, but small pacey players, we will lost to barca if face them. Irony, we would spend milions and yet fail to win agains team, we did this year, because of strong, experienced players. And Mata, player we will use as our centre, has been invisible there.We never had problems with barca, because we play special style that doesn suits them. Different than United, City or Arsenal...And I dont want to change that. This was and is the true power of Chelsea. Strong squad with players like Lamps, Ballack,...It's all well and good beating Barcelona and I agree that our squad and our approach do match up better against Barcelona than Man Utd or Arsenal's does but in case you missed it, we are 6th in the table, we haven't won enough games and one of the reasons for that is because we dont have enough creativity and penetration in the side. While we match up against Barcelona better than Man Utd and Arsenal do, we dont match up against Stoke, Everton, Sunderland or these type of mid-table Premier League sides aswell as Man Utd and Arsenal do. Superblue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 After the match a lot of cules want a classic striker (tall and athletic like Llorente or Gomez). The thing is, i think is important to have differente type players to have variety, players who can bring something different to the game.I agree and I think Barcelona could do with a big striker. Though finding a top class striker with the technical ability required for Barcelona and with the personality to accept not playing every week (a blow to the ego that Ibrahimovic could not accept) would be quite the task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 It's all well and good beating Barcelona and I agree that our squad and our approach do match up better against Barcelona than Man Utd or Arsenal's does but in case you missed it, we are 6th in the table, we haven't won enough games and one of the reasons for that is because we dont have enough creativity and penetration in the side. While we match up against Barcelona better than Man Utd and Arsenal do, we dont match up against Stoke, Everton, Sunderland or these type of mid-table Premier League sides aswell as Man Utd and Arsenal do.We are sixth because AVB dreamed we are barca and wanted to play that style with 30yrs old squad. I like to se Marin here, but such type of players should be minority at our club to add little flair and pace. Hulk and others would provide strenght. And Hulk is very creative aswell... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Drog 1,110 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 We are sixth because AVB dreamed we are barca and wanted to play that style with 30yrs old squad.I like to se Marin here, but such type of players should be minority at our club to add little flair and pace. Hulk and others would provide strenght. And Hulk is very creative aswell...I think that there is a bit more to it than simply AVB trying to implement a new style, I agree that the changing of philosophy was mis-managed bu that isn't the sole reason why we are 6th in the league.Ye and Im a fan of Hulk, however Hulk is also 35 million so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLyon 9,359 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Well buying five Marko Marins probably wont bring us PL title next year, while combination of Marin and Hulk could... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneMoSalah 8,886 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 One or two top players just have to come. We cant buy 5 Marin type of players...Hulk would be 35 and Moutinho 25. That is 60mio. Adding Marin for 8 and Azpi for 12. Gives you 80mio. By selling Malouda, Yossi, Bosingwa Kalou, Ferreira we get about 20mio and 60-70mio overall isnt too much for squad rebuild. We need creative midfielder and there are options; Moutinho, Mvila, witsel, Martinez, Cabaye or Modric. Everyone would cost us at least 25mio or more. Moutinho is best for the price. And he would pair Hulk great.We cant sell Kalou and Bosingwa because they are out of contract this year. We won't get much for Malouda and Yossi either, maybe like 5 million a piece. Plus Javi Martinez and Yann M'Vila are both defensive midfielders which is not what we need. Joao Moutinho won't leave for anything under 36.5 million euros which is his release clause and Porto have stood firm on that when we wanted him in the summer so we won't give him and known us we won't get Witsel or Modric either. Maybe Cabaye would move but hes only one year in to his Newcastle contract and they are more likely to get CL football than us unless we go and win every game remaining.Paying 60-70 million for two players is insane as well, yes we payed 71 million for David Luiz and Torres but look where the bulk of that went. We will need to spend wisely, maybe 60-70 million on like 5 or 6 players if we are to stay within the FFP rules as well. Imo the summer is going to be mad because we haven't even got a manager yet and if we appoint someone it will probably be at the same time as AVB.... if it isn't Di Matteo that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 4,400 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 Torres Ramires - Mata - MarinLampard - MikelCole - Terry - Luiz - IvanovicCechTorres Sturridge - Mata - MarinRamires - MikelCole - Terry - Cahill - IvanovicCechTorres Mata - Sturridge - MarinRomeu - MikelCole - Terry - Cahill - IvanovicCechWe do have option, be nice to sign a couple more tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I've hear a fair few people dismiss this signing as a poor decision. Maybe they are butthurt or perhaps they are just morons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teignman 441 Posted April 29, 2012 Share Posted April 29, 2012 I've hear a fair few people dismiss this signing as a poor decision. Maybe they are butthurt or perhaps they are just morons?I would guess both. This is a low risk, high reward purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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