Mouri_Matic

He scored 4 GOALS in like 5 months last season, with 2 in his first match so no matter how you look at it, that is not GOOD ENOUGH.

Hazard costs £32m and on £170k per week, he is Torres equivalent in midfield so he is not going to be benched. Well not unless Jose wants him to anyway but there is no way he is going to be out of the picture on the bench because he is one of our highest paid player.

They both has been actually for sale before Jose even got back here anyway. Ba is not good enough, worth around £5-£10m atm, Torres maybe £15m? the only reason these 2 are still here is because no one want them.

Like I said, the only reason why he hasn't hand in the request is because he is due £3m bonus soon, if he hands it in, whether the move happen or not he would still lose that £3m so he is not rushing like in 2010-2011.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/jose-mourinho-hints-manchester-united-risk-putting-themselves-under-pressure-if-they-delay-wayne-rooney-transfer-to-chelsea-29441926.html Mourinho the mind game master. And funny thing is he is actual speaking the truth as well but he seems to be so good at manipulating facts, we should feel REALLY LUCKY to have this man in charge.

He is slowly becoming worse than Kalou, I don't know what happened to him. I know he doesn't seem to suit to our system and would be a bench warmer but now I think he is kind of becoming useless. No pace, sluggish ball control, missing chances. It seems like for certain players, mid table teams are about their level. REally think he might be sold before transfer window closes if a suitable offer come in(around £10m maybe).

http://www.givemesport.com/346521-why-fernando-torres-is-worth-more-than-50m

It is on their official website.

It is not an option, winning or come very close to winning BPL this season is a must in order for Jose's first season to be considered anything but a failure, of course we could win CL and still consider it a success...etc but BPL is the priority for the board atm.

Decent these 2 matches, nothing amazing though. Don't think he is ready to be our no1 yet, need someone like Rooney/Suarez to lead the line with Lukaku as back up. Really need to work on his ball control, good pace but decision making and ball control has been very poor in these 2 matches.

Doesn't seem to look bothered one bit in these 2 matches, hopefully this isn't the attitude he shows in the season because he got the potential to be one of our best player if not the best. I believe him and Mourinho can have a good time.

So a thread about one of our best player this pre-season has turned into a politic thread.

No because Hazard is more popular than Kagawa and Beckham doesn't want to come here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYbajCRT9A4

In all honest this actually look about right and probably will happen

And I can do even better

And it only happened like 2 months ago as well haha before anyone come in and say this was done when he was at his best.

He was up to it last season but was not even given a chance to fight by Sir Alex, he was just dumped from his favorite position because RVP couldn't play any where else. I think he is thinking the same will be happening this season with Moyes in charge so he wants to move. Apparently Moyes told him that he is just back up to RVP and wouldn't guarantee to play at ST, pretty much same situation with Thiago Alcantara earlier this summer. I agree, 5 years ago these 2 wouldn't even be comparable. RVP was just a decent striker but injury prone back then, no one would pay £15m for him because at most of the time he was injured while Rooney wasn't even for sale at £50m. To be fair Drogba pretty much dominated any striker we signed because our system is designed to fit him in. Kezman, Sheva, Mutu, Pizzaro, Torres...ect just didn't fit in and Sheva was injury prone so he didn't really put up much of a fight, he just accepted defeat partly because he couldn't fight. I think the club was getting ready to get rid of Drogba from 2011 when we signed Torres but it never worked out for him.

Yeah I think personally RVP is better than Rooney too, but at the time there wasn't that much of a gap. RVP scored 31 goals, Rooney scored 27 goals in BPL, I wouldn't say 4 goals is a massive difference so at the time RVP was automatically chosen to be no1 ST because he couldn't be as effective any where else, unlike Rooney who can play CAM/CM so Sir Alex put him there. I don't think he want to leave MU because he want more money/hate Sir Alex or Moyes, he just want to be no1 ST, not midfielder.

He is not, HE IS NOT BEING GIVEN A FAIR CHANCE AT HIS FAVORITE POSITION, ST. Remember how RVP was signed and Rooney was immediately dropped into CAM then CM role? He thought that was unfair on him, especially since he just had an amazing season personally, being one of the choice for the best striker in world 11. Also it is his ego, sometime it is not necessary a bad thing, look at Ronaldo, he is as ego there is but he is very good he justified his personality. Rooney wasn't given the same chance, he was kicked out just because RVP was signed even though he showed no sign of decline.

Arsenal is a selling club, it is pretty clear over the year. If this was the end of 2003-04 season, Arsenal would have never sold RVP for £50m, let alone £24m. MU actually wanted to get rid of Veron as soon as possible, he was a total flop like Sheva and we fell for it. Of course MU wouldn't sell to City, not one of their best player anyway just like Barca/Madrid. Of course he would need to push for it, hand it an official transfer request like RVP did and actually go on strike...etc(which I think he will do eventually if we offered MU £25-£30m, him £3m as signing on fee and make up for his lost bonus and a long term contract on £200k per week min)

If Arsenal is bidding for him, surely we should jump in too? And if his 'ambition' talk is real, he would know where to choose.

Such a complete striker.

Actually Fellaini and Baines are pretty good themselves, Baines is one of the best LB in BPL and Europe in recent years and Fellaini is pretty good as well. But yes I agree them signing Fabregas would help us.

Tell that to people who think Suarez is a cunt and is not wanted here. No ibra, no Rooney, no Suarez.