nah bro... 8pack is genetic... If you look at body building forums, most people would agree... (Also, when I was in peak shape, I neve came close to the 8, but got 6)... However, as I said before, having visible abs is not though..... When I did ab workouts, I did mostly planks..... Now, i downgraded to just situps of variations.. (Peak plank was 5mins). Im going to get back to working out hardcore again since the holiday season is over and the weather is picking up... (I love working out, cept jogging)!