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I agree. And its not being negative, having criticism, not knowing he is played out wide a lot, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. ...... He will be brilliant I am confident, but he isn't there yet. He went missing too much last season. Shouting out he is god's greatest gift to the footballing earth is simply premature. I swear it feels like there is a Fatwa on nuanced talks/constructive criticism about Oscar

I shat my pants laughing with parts of that article. Seems a hagiography article! 'Torres goalscoring dried up with the arrival a Ba. Before that he could play pressure free" What??? He was utter shit. Only scoring 7 meaningless goals against weaker opposition. What did the writer eat? Pure LSD?

Of course ... I had him in my sig myself for almost a year. Still ... I think he should bring more next year (so does Hazard imo) but it seems a touchy subject for some to debate on. Plus: you said it correctly 'when he puts that yellow shirt on'. This is Chelsea for me - not the brazilian NT - no offense to the brazilian guys on here Meanwhile it seems ok now to doubt Mata - in spite of his performances this season - for some. Double standards at least here! That is all i am saying.

Good work Jim. It is flying on my ipad. Fastest i have had it on this device.

Bullshit indeed. They say the same about Kompany, Agger, Vermaelen, Vertonghen .... What are they gonna do ... Buy all the EPL CB's

I disagree ... I think Youri is a top talent. The Anderlecht youth coordinator seems to think the same putting him in the same league of talent as Kompany and Lukaku (and Musonda). They probably know more than we do. I am not saying Chelsea should buy. But it would be daft not to keep an eye on him. Myself: i am completely hooked on he guy. What a player .... (I am from Lokeren so you know he demolished my home team like a boss).

He said: "I've noticed it's usually a few Belgium posters that slag off players to prop up their compatriots" That is bullshit. I called his bluf to say where and when. It is one thing to be - normally biased - another to it being 'usually the belgians that slag off other players to prop up their own'. I don't accept that when its bullocks. Ive had people posting that stuff or a year now - and 'i find the belgian population on here (@weckerz, @hamilton, @mediator, @tiwaz, ....) very, very level headed. Edit: even @skipper is ok, even though he is dutch. He liked this post after all !

I love the fact noone on Redcafe says anything about KDB (or Van Ginkel/Essien/Schurrle). They just go on about our team not having any reinforcements .... Except some maybe about Lukaku. I just hope he volleys a screamer from 25 meters right in there. That will show them.

I am so curious about this one! i expect Mata to start .... I would love to see him KDB and Lukaku mix it up. Van Ginkel, Essien would be tasty in midfield. Also Luiz is back !

I do get where you are coming from like @choulo19 does and I have said similar things during the season (especially when the Hazard versus Oscar thing was going on). For me he is a guy with very high potential, but he hasnt put his foot down yet for Chelsea to merit the label of world class talent. It is possible we are biased because we dont see enough of the Brazilian league - the reverse however is also true. There can be a bias just because he is Brazilian and a 10. If I see @barbara calling him her 'BB' ... No offense Barbara, but that screams bias just as much as when I go overboard on KDB because I am belgian and from Ghent like KDB is. Also, some of the Oscar defenders on here also think in the same breath Mata doesnt deliver enough - see the Mata thread for that. I simply cannot get my head around this double standard. I know this is an impossible comparison, and it is one I am not willing to make. But just ...... How can anyone downplay Mata's performance while 'upplaying' Oscar's. I just don't get that. So, while we can safely assume he is an amazing talent, he still has a lot to prove here. We will see when and if he delivers. All the rest is speculation and sophistry. Or as some say .... The proof of the pudding is in the eating (the same applies to Hazard and KDB, mind you ....)

why would he be loaned to zulte if he just broke contract with them and wanted to play at a higher level? Out of cuntishness ...

Thats cherry picking mate. There are much more other nationalities having a go at Mata than belgians. Just check the Mata thread and the unpopular opinions. Then come and tell me which belgians do this to further their compatriots. You will see your argument is based on loose sand. Let's see some facts.

Regardless of Thorgan: great work from Bakkali. 17 year old belgian winger :-) What the hell was in our water?

Ow fuck ... Too close. Give Thorgan the ball more!

Id say Thorgan has stepped it up! PSV better keep an eye on him :-)

Were 20 minutes far in PSV stadium. A lot can happen.

Apparantly we are changing to a new server today ... Hence the trouble.

Lol!! No need for apology, mate :-) it is just debating. I just feel you have crazy high standards. If you want him to be the best all the time creating key moments galore in his first EPL season being 21 at that time .... Not even Messi, Ronaldo did that ... so I believe your benchmark for your claim he did just ok is way off.

Fuck i miss @alex .....

I really like what mou said. Hazard is extremely talented but his performance last year was just ok. Flair move is fun too watch but getting result is more important. I hope mou can make hazard become more effective I think saying his performance was 'just ok' is very, very wrong. He had a great start and a fantastic season ending. The intermediate period - 2 months + suspended time - he was on and off ok to good. Saying he had a 'just ok' season is quite unintelligible, i think - especially in his first PL year. Let's see this comparison with our finest - Mata. It clearly shows Hazards impact in his maiden year. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1622506-juan-mata-vs-eden-hazard-revealing-stats-to-separate-the-chelsea-pair If you go further and compare the performances scores on Whoscored Hazard: 7.31 Mata: 7.24 Oscar: 7.00 Lampard: 7.06 So ..... Hazard does have a huge, huge ceiling, which may tempt you to say he was just ok .... But i find it very harsh and unfounded.

Or just very much

So? That was the whole idea?

Mmmm ... If you go with me, we would end up in a titty bar having lapdances, mate! also @alex would be there as well!

I agree and let him flourish. Are you sure you are a Manure fan, mate? You sound too much like a guy I'd want a beer with!