but that's what it takes to be counted among the best.. in a very unpredictable industry as sport is and especially as football is, i believe, you need to have a filter, a time window of optimum width with in which you examine one's credentials ... its not enough to just show some potential for greatness, a la AVB or Jergen Klopp do you think Jose would've been what he is now if he flopped at Chelsea ten years ago? he is great not because he won every thing at Porto, but because he kept on winning afterwards ...