CHOULO19

you gotta respect the beard, man!

No, I honestly don't know what your point is. The two biggest terror states in the world, Israel and the US, that have killed the most civilians during warfare post WW2, and countries with some of the worst human rights records like Bahrain and Qatar (don't even get me started on Qatar's relation to terrorism in the region); these countries having Hezbollah on their list of terrorism isn't evidence that there's "a problem within the organization and it's principles" as is evident by the fact that all the countries and their ambassadors in Lebanon treat Hezbollah the exact same as the rest of the political parties and cooperate with them about everything Lebanon related. That's bullshit and you know it. No one has ever held Israel and the US for their actions simply because they control the 'judge' that is the UN. Both have gotten away with some of the worst acts of terrorism without any punishment. Want specifics? Tell me, was the US held responsible for it's acts of terrorism against Cuban civilians during the cold war including poisoning or drinking water and livestock and bomb attacks on factories and facilities that killed hundreds of civilians? For the rest of their terrorist activities in South America during the cold war? In Africa? How about for the Vietnamese civilians killed by the american warfare? Did anyone punish the US for the USS New Jersey shelling civilian areas in Lebanon and killing over 80 civilians in a single day in 1984? Do you really want me to get into the acts of terrorism committed by Israel? Were they punished for leveling entire civilian areas in the southern suburbs of Beirut where there are no weapons and no fighters? Were they held accountable for targeting two red cross vehicles carrying over 20 women and children in 2006 killing them all? Were they held responsible for targeting a UN facility in 96 where civilians had taken shelter in Qana killing over 60 of the? When were they ever punished for their war crimes in Palestine? The Shuja'iyya massacre? The targeting of a UN school that the UN "have communicated the location of over 70 times to the Isreali army"? The shelling of a children's playground on the day of the Eid?! The murdering of 4 kids playing football on an empty beach? And that's just this very year! How about the various car bomb attacks in Lebanon that were done by the Mosad and that killed tens of civilians? The Sabra and Shatila massacre?! And that's just off the top of my head and I could go on and on and on and on. Just thinking about it makes my fucking blood boil, so please cut the crap about the meaningless "international laws" and political prestige that you and I know fully are only fabricated so that the average western citizen who knows nothing about the realities of war and the foreign policies of his country can go sleep at night and go to his work the next day without worrying about anything except what they want him to worry about. How can you call it false information if you're not sure? Al Baghdadi is the one in the pic with the red circle around his head: Not the first time he with important american company either as he was US prison in Iraq but was then released for no reason in 2008 (IIRC). Also in that meeting was Mohammed Noor (blue shirt): One of the highest ranking terrorist on US's own terrorist list and on McCain's right is Khalid Al Hamad, a high ranking ISIS leader now and the star of the infamous heart-eating viral video that you no doubt have seen or heard of. The smiling guy on the left is Salim Idris who has since been kicked out of the FSA for being "too moderate". But you're right, at the time he was with the Northern Storm Brigade that were at the time fighting along side Nosra/ISIS (before their "break up" and before the widening of the gap between the factions of the Syrian rebels) towards the Meing Airport in the north. But let us assume that McCain did not know who those people were and assumed that they were all Northern Storm Brigade. At the time, the Northern Storm Brigade had over 20 Lebanese civilian pilgrims hostage with them and that was way before the involvement of Hezbollah in Syria. So, was McCain and the US held responsible for supporting such terrorist groups?! See, here I know exactly what your point is. You wish to paint a picture that the "terrorist" Hezbollah is the only ones that have issues with Israel in Lebanon. You want to make the direct effect of the Israeli invasions and assaults on Lebanon, that is the Lebanese resistance, look like the cause of the assaults by talking circles around meaningless technicalities. The reason why the Lebanese army has had no battles with the Israeli army apart from a few small clashes and the occasional air raid by the Israeli fighters on Lebanese army facilities during wars is because our army is not allowed to have any serious weapons. We have no aircrafts, most of our tanks are the ones left by French army in the 1940s and even the helicopters were not allowed to have machine guns on them until this year. But still, the Lebanese army considers the Israeli army as the enemy and treats it as such and in the 2000 liberation and the 93, 96 and 06 wars every single Lebanese party considered it a war on Lebanon and you can go check what is said by every single party leader during those times. Lebanon is a special case in various aspects but the Israeli assaults have been on all of Lebanon. Of course that was an exaggeration. You want accurate numbers? In the past 20 days alone, the Israeli police have detained over 380 and Palestinians participating in protests, issued tens of demolition orders for the houses of Palestinians who are involved in protests and killed several including a 10 year old boy a couple of days ago. Tear gas, rubber bullets and shock bombs are a daily thing as the police protect the settlers provoking and throwing stones on the Palestinians, meanwhile last month the punishment for Palestinians throwing rocks at Israeli police or settlers was increased to up to 20 years in prison. Here is a roundup of all the Isreali settlers and police violations against Palestinians in October alone: http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/ten-palestinians-killed-israelis-october-plo-report?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter How can you put the burden of the diplomatic effort on the people who have absolutely nothing left except the instinct of survival? The Israelis hold almost ALL the cards, The Palestinians have nothing, they have absolutely nothing they can compromise on. They having nothing else to lose. For someone who has made several posts lecturing on the humanitarian and ethical issues of the resistance rockets, you sure are careful not to mention anything about the Israeli war crimes against Palestinian civilians in Gaza which are a thousand times worse! It's really both sad and hilarious at the same time. One side has the most advanced warplanes, countless tanks, huge battleships, one of the best trained army in the world and unlimited ammo and funds from the US. The other has rockets that are without war heads and most locally assembled and cheap light and medium weapons. No planes, no ships, no tanks, no army. One side killed 2 civilians in the last war, the other 2000 civilians. And people want to call it war and even claim that the Israelis have the moral high ground? It is murder, there is no other way to describe it. You won't find impartial books on that whole era. The closest you'll come is this documentary on the Lebanese civil war. It's VERY long though and I don't know how interested you are in the subject. This is part one of 15 with a total of about 12 hours, you'll find the rest on youtube as well: They helped leave their loved ones a free city where they can live their lives in dignity. There is no denying that.

Meh....

Jose's PC: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ujBiE3bVc

I vaguely remember Jose saying after the Liverpool match that Rami will NOT be joining the the NT.

Now, now, we wouldn't want that at all!

Match Preview Here By @Liquidator

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2apco6_an-audience-with-drogba-filipe-luis-and-schwarzer-hd_sport

Oooh, I smell jealousy!

Undoubtedly the most creative player in the league. The numbers don't lie...

Vitesse will be absolutely delighted with this!

Why is that surprising? Obviously no one reacted to the ISIS flag because it was VERY obvious that he was not serious and it was some sort of prank. As for the reaction to the Israeli flag, it is to be expected as well since support for Israel in the US is at an all time low and the awareness of the Palestinian struggle at an all time high. Still, though, hold up a Palestinian flag and you'll most likely get a similar reaction.

@, how spot on is this?

Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, UAE and Canada all have the same list of terrorists as the USA. And that's not "a lot of countries" at all. All of them, including the listing of the "military branch" (which does not exist, because Hezbollah is Hezbollah, in leaders and management in all domains) are political bullshit to put pressure on Iran. All of these countries still coordinate with Hezbollah publicly regarding all issues on Lebanon. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah, Israel, the UK and US are always held responsible for their terrorist activities! Seriously, let's not insult anyone's intelligence with statements like that. The label "terrorist" is owned by the father of real terrorism that are the so called superpowers of the world and they slap it on anyone that disagrees with them to scare the public when in fact it has lost all meaning because of the glaringly obvious double standards. Hey look, John McCain with the 'Khaleefa' of ISIS and some of the highest ranking Al Qaeda related group leaders in Syrian: The Lebanese constitution and every single Lebanese government in the past 25 years considers Israel an enemy of Lebanon and any military action by it on Lebanese soil an act of war. On our side, they are officially wars. Don't try to dress them up. And yes, Israel is a military state because the state was created by the military and not the other way around. It was created by the force of the British army and maintained by extremist Jewish militias that were later transformed into the Israeli army. The citizens of the state were brought in from all over the world and the original citizens of the land kicked out by this military force. It's not the quote itself but the mentality that it conveys that is very wide spread among all Israelis that Palestinians are their inferiors and they can basically do anything to them with no implications. You make it sound so natural when in fact it is the same kind of racism that was in the US 50 years ago and the same kind of apartheid that was in South Africa. On a related note, was Mandela a terrorist? He was listed as one by "a lot of countries around the world" and stayed on the US list until a few years before his death. Strike of what exactly? How can the Gazans strike? The non-violent protests by Palestinians in the West Bank and Al Quds have always been met with live fire from the Israeli police. "If you lived in Gaza you would fire rockets on Israel too." Crime, not warfare? They should get into their F16s and drop tons of explosives civilians instead? These people are murdered and dehumanized everyday and you're saying that their only means of genuine resistance is a crime?! I wonder what you think of Israel's military activities in Gaza, then? On Sept. 24, 1982, Khalid Alwan walked into the Wimpy Cafe in Beirut. He didn't blow it up, but he shot 4 Israeli soldiers. That operation sparked the resistance against the Israeli invasion of Beirut and the operations and attacks continued until a few months later the Israeli army was shouting through megaphones in Arabic: "Citizens of Beirut, stop your fire we are withdrawing." Tell me he or the suicide bomber who took out the US marines barracks didn't help ensure that their kids and family live in a free city. I don't pray, and I may be a cynic, but false hope is foolish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoapWNxAvzU He can "Rape Me" anytime he wants! :wub:

Please tell that is staged...

No, thank you. Our players interviews are often embarrassing enough with Neil Barnet Neil is a nice guy and a true blue, but he can be sooo obnoxious at times!

Now THIS is what I call obvious match fixing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_mCBxlOnIA

Was just about to post that exact same quote. Jose clearly sees Mikel as Matic's replacement.

That's factually incorrect. Only the US and Israel have Hezbollah on their terrorist list. Recently, the European council listed the "military branch" of Hezbollah as terrorist under US pressure which is just a big bag of meaningless political bullshit because the US was putting a lot of pressure on them but they can't practically put Hezbollah down as a terrorist group. That is because first they have a huge fan base in Lebanon, they have parliament and government members, political allies including the biggest Christian party in Lebanon atm, and all ambassadors of the European union and even the US in Lebanon have to deal and organize with them. As for whether or not I think they are terrorists, I've answered this before and my answer remains the same: http://forum.talkchelsea.net/topic/7709-the-pub-discuss-anything/?p=760690 I'm fine with that definition, but it makes the US, Israel, the UK and every single major force in the world a terrorist state as well. How can terrorist states decide who is terrorist? Can you argue that Israel haven't used much much more brutal force on Lebanese and Palestinian civilians? The middle-east lost in what looks like a sectarian war between Sunnis and Shias with a completely destroyed Syrian and Iraq. Don't think a 'rogue' ISIS was on the plans, though. That's not naive, that's anti-realistic. You're looking for loopholes in small technicalities to try and deny reality. What do you call two invasions, an 18 year occupation and countless battles? But I can be technical too. According to the Lebanese constitution, Israel is an enemy and the official Lebanese governments since 1990 have all considered the Israeli attacks on Lebanon as a war and have addressed the UN as such. So, from Lebanese point of view, the 93, 96 , and 06 were all wars between Israel and Lebanon. And no, the agents and groups aren't causing the events simply because the effect can't come before the cause. What is causing the conflicts is the creation of a military state out of thin air to kick millions of people out of their houses to be replaced with people brought in from all around the world and that state happens to have constant ambitions to expand its borders at the expense of the neighboring countries. Civil disobedience? You really have no idea what Palestinians go through, do you? People in Gaza are living in an open air dense packed prison forced to be impoverished by the Israeli siege that is "putting Palestinians on a diet" according to an Israeli officer while getting bombed by the newest weaponry in the world every other year "like shooting fish in a barrel." In the West Bank, the people have their homes demolished and land stolen on a daily basis while having to face daily racism like Jew-only schools, Jew-only buses, Jew-only football clubs and even some Jew-only roads! Even the Palestinians who have an Israeli nationality are subject to hate crimes on a daily basis just like the West Bankers. Settlers and police kill Palestinians, run them over, burn down their mosques, break into their homes on a daily basis while 92% of hate crimes against Palestinians never even make it to Israeli courts according an Israeli NGO. You can't fight that kind of apartheid with civil disobedience. I never said that they were highly accurate nor that they only target military targets. I was merely pointing out the advancement of rockets that Hamas have. What I said was that they are an effective and low-casualty means of resistance. I won't debate it from a religious point of view because those are not my beliefs, but from a legal point of view, the Jews can't pray at the mount of rock because Israel has treaties and international agreements that says so most notably the peace treaty with Jordan. Politically, the timing for bringing up the issues now is no coincidence when the Israeli government seems to be inflicting collective punishment on the Palestinians for its own failure to achieve any of its goals in the last war Gazza. What are you assuming that the motivation of such act can only be religious? Can't atheists willingly die to protect their country and loved ones? The two state solution is just a hoax to distract from any real attempts at peace and even if it is somehow implemented (which won't happen), there can never be peace between the two states.

I had her on Istagram, she looks old and scary without all the makeup and stuff. But yeah, Messi's girl is beautiful.

I'm actually starting to feel bad for united fans, now...

That's one large face...