You have fine points there, but again read my post. That was w/ Bunker Bob as our gaffer. Different story now w/ Klinsmann. When was the last time England beat Italy in Italy? Has England even played Mexico in Mexico? I highly doubt it. 3 Lions always play in Wembley. Come out & play sometime to see what its like to play in a hostile environment that is not your own. BTW, we need to stop this discussion here. We are making this thread decent w/ our discussion we need to throw some dirt at spudz xD