didierforever

so messi has played 16 thousand odds minutes for barca and argentina yet, i have proved that messi has played 27000 odd minutes for barca itself since 09. :lol: :lol: please give me the links to your awesome stats.

hahahha.. i did bro.. i did.. look at the post below yours.. feeling embarassed are you? your post said "since start of oscar's career". do you know what start is? oscar turned pro in 08-09, get it??? how accurate do you stats look. please tell me. :lol: your argument that day was the lack of pre-season last year made oscar lose his form in jan. yet willian had the exact same pre-season as oscar and yet infact found his form in jan. hmmm.. weird!!!

get your stats right bro!!! oscar made 11 appearance for sao paulo. and even if you take it from 2009, messi played 3895 minutes in 08-09 season.. which would mean messi played 27091 minutes since 09. now please tell me where you got your awesome stats from? madeuppacquiaostats.com?

hahahahha... you really are a joker. that day i took your point, thought about it and stopped debating. it seemed fair enough. pre-season should affect (even though we have our own willian to disprove how much affect a pre-season has). yet, today after i never once even argued about pre-season, you try to butt in and interude your massive nose into a converstation which was completely different from your point. and now i have been caught out... hahahha.. dont you have some other fake stats to put?

ahhahahahha... again READ.. try it for once. infact i said it is only for BARCA. and each player? i am giving you messi's stat. it is just one player. for barca itself messi has played atleast 30986 minutes, since 08-09 which is almost double of the fake stat that you put forth.

since the matches played 3 years ago is supposedly hurting oscar so much, i would like to go back a year further in 11-12 oscar played 1069 minutes http://www.transfermarkt.com/oscar/leistungsdaten/spieler/85314/plus/?saison=2011 while willian played 2.890minutes. http://www.transfermarkt.com/willian/leistungsdaten/spieler/52769/plus/?saison=2011 damn.. willian must be tired. or is it only for the last 3 years. mybe the body has a 3 year alarm clock. the fatigue excuse in itself is useless. he is as much worked as most players in football who want to be first teamers for a team like chelsea.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2014 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2012 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2013 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2011 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2010 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2009 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2008 unbelievable.. absolutely unbelievable. oscar started his career in 08-09. here are messi's stats. and this is just for barca. the heights to which people go to defend oscar is just unbelievable. 14-15 5060 13-14 3740 12-13 4078 11-12 5224 10-11 4583 09-10 4406 08-09 3895 total 30986

hahahahaha,... READ.. R E A D... PLEASE TRY AND DO THAT ONCE IN A WHILE... in all the debate today, where once have i said that pre-season would not matter... you were barking? saying.. :clown:

so far we have "replaced" DD with falcao, replaced cech with begovic. we are been linked with baba rahman cos luis is moving out. we have 4CM/DM in matic, cesc, rambo, mikel and a youth in RLC, dont see why we would buy a CM/DM without selling one specially since we play 4-2-3-1. rest i dont even see a proper transfer or a rumor.

haha... and before even reading your post, i had written to adnane about brazil's friendlies. which makes u nothing more than a troll. hahaha... again with the lack of pre-season. why are you so hell bent on putting words in my mouth. in all the debate today, where once have i said that pre-season would not matter. or you runing out of material? i guess you should go back to pedro thread and continue getting owned there.

i have already given you the minutes for clubs. so even if i take that the matches you have given are true, i would expect messi and CR to complete all the matches since they are messi and CR. so oscar has 10 more than messi and 8 more than CR meaning 900 more than messi (max) and 720 more than CR. these were the stats for clubs. oscar - 10095 messi - 12878 CR - 13291. so you can count and calculate it and tell me if by any scenario you get it greater than messi and CR' numbers. random opinions and posts as well as stats.

did i quote you to begin with? no. you quoted my post, which was in reply to someone giving a completely different argument than yours and you took it as a general statement which is applicable for all scenarios. hmmm.. makes you think, does not it? :wank2:

what jose says and what jose does are 2 different things. he also said that we will not sell luiz or mata or lukaku etc.

Dude, i'm telling you the guy has taken part in more games than messi and CR7 since 2012 and you're still denting the facts. which part of adnane's post was related to pre-seaosn?? :wank2: like i said "READ". you are the one talking about pre-season which i am not against. but citing "playing more minutes and games than so and so players" (even though the basis of it is wrong) is what i am ridiculing. READ.

before things get any more ridiculous here are the ACTUAL stats for clubs. http://www.transfermarkt.com/oscar/leistungsdaten/spieler/85314/plus/?saison=2012 http://www.transfermarkt.com/lionel-messi/leistungsdaten/spieler/28003/plus/?saison=2012 http://www.transfermarkt.com/cristiano-ronaldo/leistungsdaten/spieler/8198/plus/?saison=2012 oscar - 10095 messi - 12878 CR - 13291 these stats are only for clubs. if oscar played WC, so did they. if oscar played friendlies for brazil, they played qualifiers (euro and WC) if oscar played olympics, CR played euros. please stop giving random stats and excuses. the minutes that oscar has played are not even greater than EH, matic, iva.

they are not including pre-season into their argument. they are including "MINUTES that he has played" and citing it as an excuse. read.

and i am giving you the facts, infact i have already given the facts in the turan thread of how many MINUTES oscar, willian, hazard, JT and matic have played for club and county. for club oscar ranks 5th. if we count iva, i am sure he would rank 6th. those are hard facts. go on and check them instead of throwing random numbers of friendlies. if friendlies are to be included then so should the european qualifiers and wc qualifiers which i did not take into account for the said players. in the end, he has played no more than the rest. yes, you are right. i am blind. more than half the chelsea fans want an upgrade yet i am the one blind.

are u kidding me. "Oscar's talent is undeniable, next season he will go up another level again, last season on the whole he was very good, next season he will be even better, he gave us goals and assists and was involved in most of our best passing moves last season, easily our most underrated player, reminds me of drogba in his early days. and i believe it will end the same way as Drogba with Oscar leaving in 10 years time as a Chelsea legend" :lol:

so the fact that people are including "oscar played in the 2012 olympics as well as 2013 confed and 2014 WC" means what exactly? nice selfie buddy.

defender will be signed only if luis leaves.

"hard facts"... hahahahha.. oh he was tired in jan 2015 cos he had played 2012 olympics. damn!!! messi, CR, JT, and all should be near death then.

oh just fucking announce it already. think this will be the last signing unless some player leaves (eg luis).

read the above post. also, as far as i remember oscar's place was pretty much guaranteed. the only exciting thing happening was oscar and neymar exchanging their shirt numbers or something,

when your AM, which links the mid and the attackers is not playing well, obviously the team is going to look bad. is this some sort of a joke. if messi does not play well in barca, watch how they look. our CAM is one of our most important positions. whenever willian/cesc played there, we looked so much better. whenever willian played as a CAM he was a joy to look at. and lets not exaggerate oscar's brilliant form. costa was a delight, cesc was a delight, oscar was in good form, thats it. when his form went AWOL, he was next to useless. also, first 6 months, LOL, half of august, september, october, november, december (by which point he had already waned out). 4 months. thats it. so by the way, hazard, cahill , cesc, costa etc have played euro qualifiers as well as world cup qualifiers for the last 2 seasons while brazilians have been going on a world tour (for which they normally are not in the team for the weekend match as jose says they need a day or 2 off), so its a justifiable excuse for all these players to fuck up half their seasons?

since oscar joined chelsea (12-13 season) oscar has played about 11600. (including olympics in 2012). willian has played 9800. these matches include only competitive matches and not the friendlies played against korea and japan and china. cos if we are including those friendlies, i guess we should include the pre-season friendlies as well as training sessions?? so basically 600 minutes extra per season. the "excuse" is exactly what it is, an "excuse". anyways, this season there will be no more "excuse". time to sink or swim. the only thing i am worried about is the unbelievable faith that jose has put into him, might come back to bite us in the ass massively.