Tomo

Absolute bull.

We conceded two shots and conceded two shots. Its beyond frustrating but some of these reactions are pathetic.

We weren't great for every single minute of the first half so the world's caving in.

1.15 when I find out Reece may be fit. 1.21 when I see the lineup and he's not in it.

Given what happened with Rashford last week I guess it was the right thing to do if he was carrying a knock but I'm quite gutted Reece isn't playing tonight, him and Callum linking up would have had a field day against that Arsenal side.

In fairness we took a lot of positive out of the game against them at Stamford Bridge despite losing. Although that said we did produce a performance worthy of a result whereas United stayed in it due to poor finishing.

Since we've changed our style of play we've only made one bad signing (unfortunately getting harder to keep hope with Kepa) while Jorginho, Kovacic and Pulisic have all been good and even Higuain served a purpose. The former two have transformed us from the worst midfield in top half to probably the best save for City. More solid windows like that and we're on the right track and early signs are good Lampard has a good judgement in transfers as the two big decisions he's had to make so far (retaining Kova and letting Luiz leave) have turned out to be masterstrokes.

I don't like Azpi at LB either but out of the current choices I still think it's the best one, especially in matches like this. We also have to factor Nicolas Pepe aswell, right footed left back has always been a good defensive counter to the left footed RW.

Eventually but his early part of his tenure resulted in him showing early promise them delivering on it.

Point is we should be looking at what we see on the pitch to access where things are heading, not what was done in previous clubs in previous league's. Forget Klopp for a minute look at Rodgers as an example early on at Liverpool, he had no track record in terms of challenging at the top and results wise gave them their worst start for generations but they were all universally behind him, why? Because when it did come off (and even on some occasions it didn't) they looked very good and it gave them optimism and the next season they were a slip away from the title.

If it's all about being "proven" then we should have appointed Jose or Wenger and be done with it. That doesn't mean he outrightly failed, and the irony is you're suggesting we should replace him with someone who's repeatedly been outsmarted at crunch moments himself. At the start of the season many people (and I'm guessing you were one of them) were saying we'd be lucky to even make Europe, so surely the fact were in the top four in itself is encouragement he's got something about him? I'm not 100% sure he will become a top manager but I've seen more than enough to encourage me he could, and there's a projected end product that looks good, here's a few bullet points. - He's had us winning three big away games (Ajax, Arsenal, Spurs) after more than two years not winning a single one, and ALL three of them were in a lot part down to his tactics/adjustment's. - We went toe to toe with two of the best sides in PL history, if not the top two. Liverpool had to park the bus to escape the Bridge with three points, this was finished article Liverpool vs young players and a manager five games into top flight football. We lost the games due to them being more experienced and clinical but the fact we actually went toe to toe with them and competed at this stage was outstanding. - When it's come off it's been really good. Watford away especially was an absolute delight to watch. - He has improved players despite you saying otherwise. Tomori looked like he was finding his level in the Championship until Frank got hold of him, Kova looks a different player this season, Pulisic has started producing numbers that he wasn't really known for, Tammy and Mount are better all round players, Willian is probably having his best season with the club. Am I happy with everything he's done? No, I'm particularly vocal at my irritation of the Jorgi/Kova/Mount midfield being broke up prematurely (which in my opinion had cost us atleast 7 points) and i do expect evolvement year on year (less and less of the naiveity we can sometimes see) but all things considered (transfer embargo, losing Hazard, trying to rebuild a core with academy players, all in sundry thinking we'd be lucky to finish top half) he's doing a fine job and I've seen more than enough encouragement there's a potential top coach there.

Nonsense, he maintained a league position while completely overhauling their style of play and then going one better in the play off. Critisize some of his tactics or recent performances all you like, heck even say you'd rather someone else, but to say he failed at Derby and is showing absolutely zero signs of becoming a top coach is the biggest load of horseshit I've ever read.

Absolute bolax.

Maybe, but given the amount we've invested in the academy plus their results at that age it would be mental not to give it a go. Low risk, huge reward. City and Liverpool being where they gives all the more reason to as we don't have the option of a quick fix (like we did in 2014/15 when we replaced KDB/Salah with more ready now players) as we're building to pounce on any drop off.

They were statistically the most dominant youth team since the Busby Babes, teams that featured Phil Foden, Jadon Sancho and Trent among others couldn't get near us. Of course i know it's a big step up to the first team and will take time as we're finding out but in an era we can't/won't spend the sums the elite sides (and City) are spending developing the boys to their potential is a must, it means we can focus our budget on top signings as filler won't be required any longer. If we can get even four to the level of their potential or close (one down three to go as James is a dead cert for me) and a further four as solid squad players that's a third of our squad down, and hundreds of millions saved which will allow scope for bigger signings in the market.

I would say it's more because the bigger games are one of the very few that having a Jorgi, Kante and Kova midfield trio doesn't massively handicap us offensively.

Doesn't take as much as you think. Two years ago no one was given a prayer of catching City and it happened. Furthermore Liverpool's core squad are in their late 20s, unless they manage to find replacements of quality and chemistry they will have a transition period within 3/4 years (that's why I was surprised Klopp extended). The academy players are our golden ticket back to the top, it's allowed us to fill holes and focus on more specific players in the market.

Well he was dropped for Ethiad and two do or die CL games so that's hardly true. And Barkley isn't better, sorry but that's typical absence makes the heart grow fonder syndrome right there.

Arsenal haven't won the league for 14 years and were on a third year in Europa yet managed to snap up the hottest avalible property in the market last summer. Unless you're seriously implying Arsenal are a bigger attraction in the modern day? The only players we can't get are the truly elite ones which is the case if we make CL or not.

As I've documented I have my doubts about Telles but it's getting to the point I'll take him so I can have peace of mind knowing we won't be signing Chilwell. Don't think I've been so against a possible signing since Rooney in 2013. With the relitevely low apparent price tag he (Telles) won't be that hard to shift if he flops.

Would rather they stayed and naturally declined there. With the high octane way they play they won't last long into their 30s. Giving Klopp money to restructure his side is the last thing that should happen, Barca basically funded his defensive reinforcements.

Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard had respectable numbers during 12/13 but it was pretty clear to anyone who saw them that they were finished as top level players.

Id rather look at what I'm seeing as opposed to what went on before, the most "proven" manager avalible to us last summer was Mou and would you trust him to construct this project? The way Lampard is working even if he ultimately doesn't become good enough to reap the whole rewards himself he will leave a healthy team for someone who is.

Point is, settling for mere top four occasionally isn't the crime it's made out to be. Even Fergie did it for a few years while he constructed his greatest ever side.

Completely different, worlds different. Why Arsenal became Arsenal so to speak is they didn't adapt their expectations once Cesc, Nasri, RVP etc al matured. There's no crime in lowering expectations for a temporary period, especially when you lose your best player and are handing crucial squad places to teenagers with no previous top flight experience. To demand a title challenge under those circumstances would be moronic.