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It's not much different from what Sarri was saying few good years ago, is it? But I guess we hire managers to deal with it, not excuse them with it. Fun thing is, Arsenal is often brought up here as a similar project, but I think Arteta is closer to Lamps, than what we have now - he was their own men of sorts, learning from master manager so one could consider him credible man for the job of building the organic project. Meanwhile Potter? Can't find any argument by TB why he was hired, except he liked him and "we liked what he did in Brighton" and that's a problem - he has no success to back himself up, no reputation and no charisma, so I cannot be surprised players (especially this bunch) may not be very willing to die for him, especially after his horrendous pressers - professionalism only goes so far. The situation at the club is so dull that it led to even Kante tapping out, so that's how serious it is. There is a positive way of setting up a project and the negative way. For now I only see us going latter. Reading this thread is crushing my soul as we went from discussing whether a new manager will hit the ground running and make us step up and win silverware to discussing 8 games in whether a new manager is even capable of managing elite team at all, so that's telling.

Yeah, the everlasting lack of sporting director, who would keep some general idea of squad synergy and balance over what current, short-living manager wants was known problem and pretty much lead to what it is now. On the other hand I'm bit tired of how, since at least Conte, people here make this squad far worse than it really is - those players (and some even worse than what we have now) won UCL, EL and super cup + did not bad in PL and we tend to portray them as they were some freaking Mansfield Town (with all due respect), thrown to PL by UFO. It needs smart and radical overhauling, yes, but what Boehly did was buying like fifth best thing to who we actually needed, so it's like more of the same we've had. And I don't care what he burns his money on, but all stupid transfers for high prices are hindering us long-term via FFP. Okay, so we are settling for being mid-table. Again, what's the point? If we are looking for building long-term cohesion, why under manager who has yet a ton to learn himself? Why not hire top staff and give them time and money? This is only hurting the club. Instead of creating an exciting project, that would organically build it's power and be attractive for players and fans TB somehow decided to degenerate us? And what players are we supposed to build this great Boehly/Potter opus magnum on? Cucurella? Letting our youngsters on for 4 minutes isn't exactly a turn to grassroots development anyway. Getting rid of our best asset in form of TT invalidates all Boehly's bs on long-term project and giving time to develop anything for me. Decline of Arsenal and especially UTD were only caused by shitshow by their executives, not squad becoming too old and lacking synergy or decision by owner to drop down few places just because. I can "realise, we won't be a top team for the next few years the better", but I don't really see the point of it. Somehow City could be managed in sensible way to the top, so did Pool - neither they exactly bought the success nor decided to drop down to bottom of table just for shits.

Nah nah nah. The club needs massive overhaul in all the structures, that's true, but it's not the reason people are upset. People are upset, because throwing away who we are and suddenly starting to think of ourselves as lower-mid-table team and proving it with handing the wheel to amateur manager + transfer policy in form of buying the same type of random, uninspiring players but thrice the price is not the way to go. No problem with missing out on CL with Lampard and transfer ban, but missing out on CL because we are being managed by whoever he is, enforced with Everton-level transfer intake is, indeed, a disgrace. Serious question: What, in particular, is the aim of process aka "new direction" Boehly is trying to pull off? Hire shitty, sub par personnel, spend 3-4 years mid table to mold this pack into top 4 contenders? Same thing could be achived (or rather, stamped, as top4 was less uncertain under TT anyway) in a whim, just by getting Tuchel players he wanted and/or hiring sporting director (not someone Boehly found behind dumpster and liked his "vision"). Rebuild is supposed to let us step up, not go down to come back to exact same spot, just with extra steps, suffering and money.

I don't recall him being mentioned here before. I hope club considers him proven enough, as jumping on 100 mil + transfers because someone performed in 10 WC games is the most idiotic thing club can do, so that's exactly the thing I'd expect Chelsea to do.

Boehly and Potter seem to share the same, corporate mode of operation when they reassure each other with buzzowords like vision, plan, long term process etc and this reassurance is far more important, than the material reality. Plus Potter seem to be very confident of his position in the club, so as long as we favor facts over pr statements, we are doomed.

Just get the rest of Brighton here, what's a difference anyway…

I guess it's not like he could bail out of transfer prepared for months because he didn't like the game. If it's done, it's done. And btw, it was just one of many horrendous Chelsea games, so either players are aware of what goes on in the club or are a dumbasses and deserve being shafted.

Funny how top managers will not hesitate to say "I am a knobhead, don't know what I was thinking and the players were shit tonight, move on" and others will say this meaningless stuff and start dancing in circles. Not the right character for this position. Hell, just pick up the phone and apologize to TT, it's that easy 😆 The worst part is that inability to sack Potter is not only about Boehly's ego, but admitting obvious mistake here would be indirectly admitting all the transfers and changes in club done by him could be just as bad and this is obviously out of the realm of possibility.

To add injury to insult, the funniest yet 1000% Chelsea thing is that we are now stuck with unsackable guy, who never should have been appointed in the first place and every sane person knew it well from the beginning.

Yeah, the subtle difference is at the time, I didn't doubt TT has a skill and character to turn it around given time and support because well, rough patches are part of this sport, and I guess I wasn't only one. However now, oh weeellll… I'm not so sure. Funny thing I could find excuses when AVB, Frank or Evil Mou's version were dragging us down, yet now I can't. And it's all on TB btw, can't blame Potter for being the level he is, he didn't hire himself here.

Funny how by solely reading this board one could see from far away our manager's strongest cards seem to be a) being English (lol) b) somehow not dropping mid-table team to Championship (lol), yet some people still seem to be surprised by what they seeing. He could be appointed as board consultant, technical director or whoever, but never a manager of huge, ambitious clubs. Pond wayyy too deep for him, and now Boehly will never have a guts to admit the mistake and fix it.

We are in such a bad position game-wise, sport-wise, managerial-wise and board-wise it's more of a comedy than the tragedy at this point

Okay, I could excuse Frank dropping us to bottom half, but the Potter comedian, just piss off. And let's not even start on how we badly need another 120 transfers to come good - TT did exceptional from the start with much worse pack.

Okay, this folk is mid-table level at best. I sincerely congratulate those seeing tactical mastermind in him. Maybe he will develop into top-level manager, but I would wholeheartedly prefer him developing outside Chelsea until he's done.

"I prefer not to speak. If I speak, I'm in big trouble" But hey, at least club trusts him endlessly.

Yeah, 7D chess from City, but it's not like Benfica can let themselves not sell the guy, because they don't have a replacement they wanted. Not with this kind of money.

Let aside numbers, that are not quite there, like with most of those wonderkids, report were he had very tough relation with manager, who expected him to defend. He was upset when not played, upset when not played right, upset when something was demanded from him and generally didn't present himself very level-headed reportedly. To different extent, but it smells Dembele vibes for me and I doubt we need this kind of character in the club ever, especially now. Plus, as someone mentioned, it all comes down to typical issue of what you can do in Spain, you can't really repeat in EPL.

They aren't Chelsea, that's it 😶

Those prices are mad, mind-boggling what happened to football economy. Don't want to be pessimistic, but looks like it goes much easier to Pool or City to make an impactful move for peanuts, whereas we will be after 4-5 100 million + players and there's no guarantee it will overhaul us, let alone we've overpaid for pretty much everyone in the previous window.

Well, at least this time except losing key player to injury, we've also got 3 points with much worse side to go with it, so that's a good thing.

WTF, we do everything possible to put Kepa in hot water with those lousy backpassess, don't we?

Wow, doing what we are supposed to do is a rare sight in recent years, now just don't freaking switch off

Dunno, last time I've seen football shirt-pulls were a no-no

Haha, so typical way of officiating Chelsea games

I don't get why some people seem to enjoy he isn't doing well, but Lamps failure and Mou demise only prove that motivator-type, tactics and sport-science comes later managers are not enough for top flight football nowadays