test

Welcome to Talk Chelsea

Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to contribute to this site by submitting your own content or replying to existing content. You'll be able to customize your profile, receive reputation points as a reward for submitting content, while also communicating with other members via your own private inbox, plus much more! This message will be removed once you have signed in.

Jason

1. Kepa Arrizabalaga

Started by Jason,

197 posts in this topic
13 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I'm not convinced that his distribution is all that good, TBH.

Was tearing my hair out at the players continuously passing around the back when being pressured but given that's the way we want to play under Sarri, Kepa did alright in those situations. Imagine Courtois trying to do that! I know he's most the expensive keeper in the world but easy to forget that he's only 23 and is in his first season in English. Let's see how he does in a few months after we (hopefully) get used to Sarri's methods.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Jason said:

Suspect he had nerves in his first home game? Spilled the ball twice from simple shots shot straight at him. On the two goals, especially the first one, it feels like it's easy to criticize keepers in such situations. Sometimes the player may just hit with too much pace and power for the keeper to stop, even at the near post. 

Agree with that. Maybe Kepa should have done better with the two goals but if you keep giving the opposing team time and space to shoot into practically an open goal time and time again, then you gotta look at issues beyond the keeper. No team should have been allowed to create that many chances from simple cutbacks, like Arsenal did.

Yeah perhaps some nerves but again, the ones he spilled he was very quick to react to and made up for it. Yeah the first one was generally poor defending. The cut backs caused a lot of problems in that 20-25 mins before half time where they edged into it, they had 3 other big chances they could have scored, if I was an Arsenal fan I'd be gutted that my team couldn't put any of them away because they were huge chances. I think Kepa will not be an outstanding GK straight away, hes been good, reliable in his 2 games but he still has to grow as a player and also physically I'd imagine he will undergo a programme to put on a bit of weight just for the difference in how much protection GKs maybe don't get as much as in Spain, needs a bit more I think, or even naturally in the long run he'll perhaps fill out a bit more. 

Jason likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Jason said:

Was tearing my hair out at the players continuously passing around the back when being pressured but given that's the way we want to play under Sarri, Kepa did alright in those situations. Imagine Courtois trying to do that! I know he's most the expensive keeper in the world but easy to forget that he's only 23 and is in his first season in English. Let's see how he does in a few months after we (hopefully) get used to Sarri's methods.

Don't get me wrong, I know he's not the finished article.  I just didn't think his distribution skills have been all that.  Better than Courtois? yes.  If it doesn't get better, yes, there's a problem.  but, it's because that would mean he's hit his peak as a GK at 23.

Blusan Alamb likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, OneMoSalah said:

I think Kepa will not be an outstanding GK straight away, hes been good, reliable in his 2 games but he still has to grow as a player and also physically I'd imagine he will undergo a programme to put on a bit of weight just for the difference in how much protection GKs maybe don't get as much as in Spain, needs a bit more I think, or even naturally in the long run he'll perhaps fill out a bit more. 

 

Just now, Sideshow Luiz said:

Don't get me wrong, I know he's not the finished article.  I just didn't think his distribution skills have been all that.  Better than Courtois? yes.  If it doesn't get better, yes, there's a problem.  but, it's because that would mean he's hit his peak as a GK at 23.

As long as he continues to improve and get better, then we will be in good hands. Courtois came back from Madrid in good shape but then stagnated over the last 2-3 years. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

not a great debut (at the bridge), but a good/decent one.

Imagine his nerves playing to that crowd the first time in a frenetic derby with everything moving a hell lot faster than he was used to. 

Vesper likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am satisfied completely, he will so grow into the position and the EPL itself, we have a gem on our hands, naysayers aside. WE are set at GK for years to come. Huge plus is we saw the backside of that twat (as a person and a, cough,cough ....professional), Courtois. We fucked up parking his on loan at AM, where he put roots down. Rule number one on loans, NEVER send a player back over and over to a good team in a superb city, if WILL bite you in the arse.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I have nothing to complain about in regard to Kepa. It's just that I just haven't gotten over the decision to spend so big on him. I know Marcin won't be 19 for another couple of months but I'd have bitten the bullet, made the youngster our starter, and used the £71m to strengthen elsewhere. Still, we are where we are.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

I have nothing to complain about in regard to Kepa. It's just that I just haven't gotten over the decision to spend so big on him. I know Marcin won't be 19 for another couple of months but I'd have bitten the bullet, made the youngster our starter, and used the £71m to strengthen elsewhere. Still, we are where we are.

To be fair, it's only 35 million but can see where you're coming from. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

Don't get me wrong, I know he's not the finished article.  I just didn't think his distribution skills have been all that.  Better than Courtois? yes.  If it doesn't get better, yes, there's a problem.  but, it's because that would mean he's hit his peak as a GK at 23.

The comparison I look at, and can't reconcile myself to, is Kepa vs Marcin + £71m running about at full back, centre back, or striker. I am going to have to stop fretting about this decision sooner or later but I'm not there yet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Jason said:

To be fair, it's only 35 million but can see where you're coming from. 

No it's definitely £71m. Thibaut was going to be sold in either scenario. If we don't buy Kepa, and start Marcin instead, then we have £71m more in our bank account or £71m of additional player(s) running around on the pitch. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, OhForAGreavsie said:

No it's definitely £71. Thibaut was going to be sold in either scenario. If we don't buy Kepa, and start Marcin instead, then we have £71m more in our bank account or £71m of additional player(s) running around on the pitch. 

Well if you put it that way, then I guess yeah. :lol: 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, Jason said:

Well if you put it that way, then I guess yeah. :lol: 

The real question I suppose is do we now have an extra £71m pounds worth of goalkeeper? If we do we'll be happy.

Sideshow Luiz likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Was always going to be close to impossible to fill the gap Courtois left, who I think really think cemented his rank as one of the best keepers in the world the last few years. So far I am far from impressed with Kepa, but I hope the scouting network, Sarri and everyone else who rated him highly, has seen the potential, and maybe that he just has to settle into the league a bit. I do remember De Gea looking like a bit of a liability at first as well, so here's me hoping Kepa can develop similarly. But it has not been two good performances so far, and the defense does not seem to trust him either.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

You want WC, you have to pay WC money.

This is every (or almost every) remotely very wery good GK out there under 30

 

Jan Oblak    We offered £90m, he said no, now his release clause is 250m euros

David de Gea    zero chance we would be less that £90m to more likely £100m plus to prise him out


Thibaut Courtois    same valuation as De Gea, we fucked up by not selling him last year for top dollar to RM

Alisson   £67m is what was paid, we turned us down for LPool as they have CL and a far more settled situ atm. If he plays to level, put him down at £90m to £100m valuation
  
Marc-André ter Stegen   zero chance Barca sells him for less than £90m to £100m as well

Ederson    Not available, same price now as the other above

Kepa  Did we overpay purely on the NOW? yes, we were over a barrel, but only by £10m or 20m MAX, closer to £10m or so, and he is only 23, I rate him very very highly

Alex Meret  only 21, Napoli got him early in window for only £20m, he was my pre-window number one choice, then Strakosha, huge upside, probably will eventually be the Italian number one (or at least battle Donnarumma very very hard)


Gianluigi Donnarumma    £60-70m or so (maybe even more now) to actually pull him, now that the horrid American hedge fund has taken over AC Milan they are ruthless, AND he has regressed the last 6 months. This board would howling for his scalp if he made the errors for us he has made for AC Milan in last 6 months.
   
Thomas Strakosha    My target all along, once Meret was snapped up, 6 months younger than Kepa,  £40m to £50m would have surely prised him away, maybe less, but I apparently am the only one who pushed him hard, and that was as I mistakenly thought Kepa's release class was well over 100m

Jasper Cillessen    soon 30, no way is he at £40m to £50m a better deal than Kepa

Bernd Leno    meh, who the fuck cares, he cant even unseat Cech atm
 
Alban Lafont   19yo potential superstar, went for ridiculously low  £8m to Fiorentina (worth 3 to 4 TIMES that easily)


Mattia Perin     another miss by the board, is very very good, and went for only £11m to Juve! Same as Lafont, some really dodgy Serie A business sure seems to me, do NOT see how the same clubs buy and sell (officially) for insanely low valuations, it sure smells like dirty dealing under the table
 
André Onana    £30m to £40m is what Ajax want. I would pass, as he is a cunt in the dressing room and has slammed the team and manager in public


Alphonse Areola    another one we could have gotten for around £40m (£50m I am sure at the window end as PSG knew we were desperate) or so, but not the upside Kepa has
 

Anthony Lopes same valuation  roughly as Areola, and will be 30 in early part of 2020-21 season

I absolutely do not rate Butland or Pickford, sorry, no thanks

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   1 member