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Jason

5. Jorginho

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1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

Mrs Can you actually see Pep taking Luiz on at his age for any money? I'd do it tho.

And I think we were daft not going for Shaw too. Its not that I think Alonso has been bad cause I do think hes holding his shit defensively together (and seeing as it seems Sarri doesn't like Emerson for whatever reason),  but hes fast and IMO stronger in defense. He would come in handy for if we was in front against a strong attacking team.

I was having a laugh, obviously. I rate Laporte 6th or 7th best CB on the planet, certainly top 10, atm. Best uncapped player in football as well. His distribution is unreal, and he is pacey and great at marking/tackling.

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9 hours ago, Unionjack said:

And I think we were daft not going for Shaw too. Its not that I think Alonso has been bad cause I do think hes holding his shit defensively together (and seeing as it seems Sarri doesn't like Emerson for whatever reason),  but hes fast and IMO stronger in defense. He would come in handy for if we was in front against a strong attacking team.

I am not sold on Shaw.

you know my favourite (available or not) non-Alonso/Emerson LB's by now (with a new number 2)

Marcelo is HORRID on defence, so no thanks, and I detest Jordi Alba, plus both are ageing, especially Marcelo, who has looked bläää so far this year. (although he always starts slow)  Alba is 30 in a few months, Marcelo 31 in May

In order (13 listed, as obviously Marcelo and Alba would be in there, but I refuse to list them as options)

David Alaba (by far, and also overall best fullback, full stop)

Lucas Hernández

Alex Sandro

Benjamin Mendy

Alex Telles

José Gayà

Faouzi Ghoulam

Alejandro Grimaldo

Andrew Robertson

Raphaël Guerreiro

Wendell

Layvin Kurzawa

Dalbert

 

Young prospects worth watching

Theo Hernández  20yo (on loan at Real sociedad from Real Madrid,good luck prying him away, and Ithink RMis insane loaning him out, as they haveshit for LB backups, so if Marcelo goes down, they will have to scramble)

Marcelo Saracchi 20yo RB Leipzig, they just bought him from River Plate for £11m

Borna Sosa 20yo VfB Stuttgart  just bought from Dinamo Zagreb for £6m tall (1.84m) pacey, huge upside

Aarón Martín 21yo  on loan to Mainz from RCD Espanyol 

Hamza Mendyl  20yo  Schalke just bought from Lille for £7m

Toni Lato 20yo Valencia CF

Jorge 22yo on loan to Porto from Monaco

 

 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

I was having a laugh, obviously. I rate Laporte 6th or 7th best CB on the planet, certainly top 10, atm. Best uncapped player in football as well. His distribution is unreal, and he is pacey and great at marking/tackling.

NO!! Really! f258bf24ba0510ea3cad990d50a7b0e8.gif

You are as always Mrs a fountain of knowledge.

Even tho its early doors and the teams gelling well and picking the system up Ive been wondering which players we needed to upgrade if we seriously want to take this up a notch. Its so hard to get a LB/RB that is both good going forward and in defense and the ones that are dont get sold on very easy or cheap  I'd stick with Alonso and try to make up for his weakness in different ways. And I do think WHEN we get this system down it wont seem as bad. Or at least I am hoping so.

But I'd still get a strker, a Pedro upgrade and tho they are also hard to get a Luiz upgrade too.

We dont need much to make us the dogs dangleys but its time to do those big decisions. Whether we start in Jan or the summer. The 1st thing that really needs to be sorted are 3 contracts. Edens,CHOs and Ampadus. The 1st 2 have offers so thats down to them. I'm sure none of us want to lose any of the 3.

But we also dont need another drawn out T'Boa. I THINK Eden at least WILL sign. Not necessarily because we are his top priority but unless he goes much cheaper (And if its right he ONLY wants the RM move and not ZZ) then RM wont pay it. But if he doesn't sign - and in his last year - it will be a right pigs ear. 4543d38b976f438609464a3eed12172c.gif

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43 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

NO!! Really! f258bf24ba0510ea3cad990d50a7b0e8.gif

You are as always Mrs a fountain of knowledge.

Even tho its early doors and the teams gelling well and picking the system up Ive been wondering which players we needed to upgrade if we seriously want to take this up a notch. Its so hard to get a LB/RB that is both good going forward and in defense and the ones that are dont get sold on very easy or cheap  I'd stick with Alonso and try to make up for his weakness in different ways. And I do think WHEN we get this system down it wont seem as bad. Or at least I am hoping so.

But I'd still get a strker, a Pedro upgrade and tho they are also hard to get a Luiz upgrade too.

We dont need much to make us the dogs dangleys but its time to do those big decisions. Whether we start in Jan or the summer. The 1st thing that really needs to be sorted are 3 contracts. Edens,CHOs and Ampadus. The 1st 2 have offers so thats down to them. I'm sure none of us want to lose any of the 3.

But we also dont need another drawn out T'Boa. I THINK Eden at least WILL sign. Not necessarily because we are his top priority but unless he goes much cheaper (And if its right he ONLY wants the RM move and not ZZ) then RM wont pay it. But if he doesn't sign - and in his last year - it will be a right pigs ear. 4543d38b976f438609464a3eed12172c.gif

If you want to talk about a REALISTIC tailor-made Sarriball rebuild then I would add (I also put on a few huge misses we bollocksed up)

Remember this is not a complete starting lineup

CB Rugani (he isnt getting shit for playing time atm so take another crack)

CB Pavard (again he will be RB b/u as well, so a 2-fer)

Miss CB...... Thilo Kehrer

LB Alex Telles

RB João Cancelo

CMF ffs buy Kovacic on perm (sell the deadweight!)

And then grab Amadou Haidara from RB Salzburg

AMF Talisca or Carlos Soler or Kai Havertz

Miss AMF...... Golovin

RW Bailey or Chiesa or Pulisic or David Neres (Ajax and similar to Malcom)

Miss RW... Malcom

Striker (United will never sell us Martial or any other decent player, I am convinced more each day) which leaves one under 30 true option..... Andrea Belotti. If not him, Lautaro Martínez from Inter. Sarri could turn him into a superstar.

Dream Striker atm Dybala (he is, like Rugani, getting shit for minutes in Juve new 4 3 3 formation)

Those options are all born to play Sarriball 

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47 minutes ago, Vesper said:

If you want to talk about a REALISTIC tailor-made Sarriball rebuild then I would add (I also put on a few huge misses we bollocksed up)

Remember this is not a complete starting lineup

CB Rugani (he isnt getting shit for playing time atm so take another crack)

CB Pavard (again he will be RB b/u as well, so a 2-fer)

Miss CB...... Thilo Kehrer

LB Alex Telles

RB João Cancelo

CMF ffs buy Kovacic on perm (sell the deadweight!)

And then grab Amadou Haidara from RB Salzburg

AMF Talisca or Carlos Soler or Kai Havertz

Miss AMF...... Golovin

RW Bailey or Chiesa or Pulisic or David Neres (Ajax and similar to Malcom)

Miss RW... Malcom

Striker (United will never sell us Martial or any other decent player, I am convinced more each day) which leaves one under 30 true option..... Andrea Belotti. If not him, Lautaro Martínez from Inter. Sarri could turn him into a superstar.

Dream Striker atm Dybala (he is, like Rugani, getting shit for minutes in Juve new 4 3 3 formation)

Those options are all born to play Sarriball 

Well if we are playing fantasy wants then I'd be right there with you for Rugani,Dybala,Bailey and have wanted Telles and,Talisca for awhile now. I might also add Niklas Sule  to the list. 6'5" , built like a shit house, fast as fuck and great passer. We should pay whatever it takes now cause hes going to be wirth a fortune.

And I mistakenly took it for granted Mat K was staying with us.

It would be nigh on impossible to sort and cost a few quid but would make us a team to take on anyone eh.

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Based on what the teams who had those paid, you could have every one of those players (I will use Martinez for Striker, Talisca for AMF, and Bailey for RW, as I have multiple options there) for around £93m TOTAL.

Again, we could have purchased (based off of what their pre summer of 2018 club paid):

Pavard

Rugani 

Telles

Cancelo

Kovacic (by far the most expensive as RM paid £28 for him from Inter)

Haidara

Talisca

Bailey 

Lautaro Martinez

ALL for £93m TOTAL

Coincidentally, that is the EXACT amount we turned down for just Willian and Luiz this year from Barca and PSG (which also then lead DIRECTLY to 2 of my huge misses listed above... Thilo Kehrer (bought by PSG) and Malcom(Barca).

AND PEOPLE WONDER WHY I SAY OUR BOARD IS SHIT!!!!!! (NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT KDB OR SALAH, ETC)

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6 hours ago, Unionjack said:

I might also add Niklas Sule  to the list. 6'5" , built like a shit house, fast as fuck and great passer. We should pay whatever it takes now cause hes going to be wirth a fortune.

And I mistakenly took it for granted Mat K was staying with us.

I never include Niklas Süle, same reason I do not include Alaba and Kimmich and Goretzka (unless it is a pure ranking list, like above with my LB's, not a target list)...  Bayern wont sell any of the 4 for less than £90 to £110m EACH (not joking at all) and in reality won't sell any at all for many years. We bid £35m to Hoffenheim in 2016 for Süle, and he himself said no to all English clubs. He wants to live in Germany. I do not blame the board for him, we made fair bid attempt.

Remember my list was realistic pre summer 2018 targets only.

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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Remember my list was realistic pre summer 2018 targets only.

Yeah but I do really like Sule. He's my new KK.

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1 hour ago, Unionjack said:

Yeah but I do really like Sule. He's my new KK.

So here is the plan. Ratcliffe buys the team and offers Bayern 400m euro (as they are fixated on euro and it is £360m which is also inline perfectly with the low end of my £90-100m valuation due to group discount rate, lol) for Alaba, Kimmich, Süle, and Goretzka. We liquidate (I only list back 4 and MF) Cahill, Luiz, Alonso, Azpi, Zappacosta, Moses, Fabregas, Drinkwater, and buy Pavard for RB backup and CB depth and Kieran Tierney for LB backup-future.

The buys would come up to around £440m in total. The sales around £220m.

So a net spend of £220m which is both FAR less in 2018 quid than Roman' biggest net spend year (2004-5, inflation adjusted around £260m net) and £30 to 80m less than Mbappe alone would go for.

We can deal with wingers and centre forward as the picture of targets and sales becomes clearer (ie Willian, Hazard, Pedro, Morata, Giroud, Abraham, Bats on sale side if forced (£375m or so generated)

versus buys of Belotti, Martial, Martinez (3 main striker options IMHO, maybe Werner too, or pipe dream Dybala or Icardi), RWers Bailey, Chiesa, Neres, Bernardeschi and one of 2 Barca, ie Dembele or the just bought Malcom and finally LW if Hazard goes) options (far less high quality options than LW left, unless we force RM to sell Asensio to get Eden) of Bailey (keep him at LW and buy another of the RWers above) Martial, same as Bailey, keep him at LW, just need another striker then from the list above, Julian Draxler,  Kingsley Coman (Bayern wont sell I bet), Sané (pipe dream, zero chance Pep lets him go) Julian Brandt (Bayer Leverkusen would never sell both him and Bailey in same year), Ryan Sessegnon, or finally a dark horse, Mikel Oyarzabal from Real Sociedad, 21 and crazy skilled. Lets say we buy Belotti, Bailey, Martial, Neres and Oyarzabal. Plus Kovacic. I estimate thats £375m or so. A wash

That means an overall net spend of around £220m, and again that £40m LESS net than Roman spent in 2004-5 adjusted dollars. I will even toss in £30m for extra costs. £250m net, still less.

Insane team for £250m net (I know its not possible,  I just like to fuck around).

GK Kepa

CB Süle

CB Rudiger

CB AC

CB Pavard (he is RB backup too)

CB Ampadu

LB Alaba

LB Tierney

RB Kimmich

DMF Kante

DMF Jorginho

CMF Kovacic

MF RLC

AMF/CMF Goretzka 

AMF Barkley

RW Bailey

RW Oyarzabal

LW Neres

LW CHO

STRIKER Belotti

STRIKER Martial 

Crazzzzy team, CL winning team probably, if Belotti and Martial come huge good, maybe top scoring team in Europe. I know a couple names may not be that familiar (Neres, Oyarzabal, even Goretzka) trust me, those are STUNNING players, crazy technical and amongst best passers at their positions.

That team is also so so young, in prime.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Vesper said:

So here is the plan. Ratcliffe buys the team and offers Bayern 400m euro (as they are fixated on euro and it is £360m which is also inline perfectly with the low end of my £90-100m valuation due to group discount rate, lol) for Alaba, Kimmich, Süle, and Goretzka. We liquidate (I only list back 4 and MF) Cahill, Luiz, Alonso, Azpi, Zappacosta, Moses, Fabregas, Drinkwater, and buy Pavard for RB backup and CB depth and Kieran Tierney for LB backup-future.

The buys would come up to around £440m in total. The sales around £220m.

So a net spend of £220m which is both FAR less in 2018 quid than Roman' biggest net spend year (2004-5, inflation adjusted around £260m net) and £30 to 80m less than Mbappe alone would go for.

We can deal with wingers and centre forward as the picture of targets and sales becomes clearer (ie Willian, Hazard, Pedro, Morata, Giroud, Abraham, Bats on sale side if forced (£375m or so generated)

versus buys of Belotti, Martial, Martinez (3 main striker options IMHO, maybe Werner too, or pipe dream Dybala or Icardi), RWers Bailey, Chiesa, Neres, Bernardeschi and one of 2 Barca, ie Dembele or the just bought Malcom and finally LW if Hazard goes) options (far less high quality options than LW left, unless we force RM to sell Asensio to get Eden) of Bailey (keep him at LW and buy another of the RWers above) Martial, same as Bailey, keep him at LW, just need another striker then from the list above, Julian Draxler,  Kingsley Coman (Bayern wont sell I bet), Sané (pipe dream, zero chance Pep lets him go) Julian Brandt (Bayer Leverkusen would never sell both him and Bailey in same year), Ryan Sessegnon, or finally a dark horse, Mikel Oyarzabal from Real Sociedad, 21 and crazy skilled. Lets say we buy Belotti, Bailey, Martial, Neres and Oyarzabal. Plus Kovacic. I estimate thats £375m or so. A wash

That means an overall net spend of around £220m, and again that £40m LESS net than Roman spent in 2004-5 adjusted dollars. I will even toss in £30m for extra costs. £250m net, still less.

Insane team for £250m net (I know its not possible,  I just like to fuck around).

GK Kepa

CB Süle

CB Rudiger

CB AC

CB Pavard (he is RB backup too)

CB Ampadu

LB Alaba

LB Tierney

RB Kimmich

DMF Kante

DMF Jorginho

CMF Kovacic

MF RLC

AMF/CMF Goretzka 

AMF Barkley

RW Bailey

RW Oyarzabal

LW Neres

LW CHO

STRIKER Belotti

STRIKER Martial 

Crazzzzy team, CL winning team probably, if Belotti and Martial come huge good, maybe top scoring team in Europe. I know a couple names may not be that familiar (Neres, Oyarzabal, even Goretzka) trust me, those are STUNNING players, crazy technical and amongst best passers at their positions.

That team is also so so young, in prime.

 

 

You been on that funny stuff again gal  f5a9ff12c6cce21d5873beb154beba90.gif Need to try  Biddy Early! .

I'm still not sold on RLC crazy or not. Need to see more of him but prefer Mat. Need to make it happen

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10 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

You been on that funny stuff again gal  f5a9ff12c6cce21d5873beb154beba90.gif Need to try  Biddy Early! .

I'm still not sold on RLC crazy or not. Need to see more of him but prefer Mat. Need to make it happen

I just left him in for shits and giggles. In 2 years Mount can replace him.

Now we just need Ratcliffe's chemi firm to make a mind altering drug to use on Bayern to get them to cough up those 4 players!!!

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Just now, Vesper said:

I just left him in for shits and giggles. In 2 years Mount can replace him.

Now we just need Ratcliffe's chemi firm to make a mind altering drug to use on Bayern to get them to cough up those 4 players!!!

I'll volunteer to be his test subject. We could make a fortune! f258bf24ba0510ea3cad990d50a7b0e8.gif

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1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

I'll volunteer to be his test subject. We could make a fortune! f258bf24ba0510ea3cad990d50a7b0e8.gif

His net worth would double in 2 years. £45bn. Then he can buy us Mbappe and SMS too, and build a stadium in the middle of the fucking Thames!

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14 minutes ago, Vesper said:

His net worth would double in 2 years. £45bn. Then he can buy us Mbappe and SMS too, and build a stadium in the middle of the fucking Thames!

Build it on Al Fayeds corner shop!

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Just now, Unionjack said:

Build it on Al Fayeds corner shop!

oi! I adore Harrods, its a Vesper and wifey frequent stop:(

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26 minutes ago, Vesper said:

oi! I adore Harrods, its a Vesper and wifey frequent stop:(

The bacon/cheese baguette was my favourite thing in the foodhall.  If they still do them, they're worth waiting for, in order to get a fresh batch.  

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2 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

The bacon/cheese baguette was my favourite thing in the foodhall.  If they still do them, they're worth waiting for, in order to get a fresh batch.  

Harvey Nichols foodhall was my staple, god knows how much we dropped there over the years, lolol

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Just now, Vesper said:

Harvey Nichols foodhall was my staple, god knows how much we dropped there over the years, lolol

Used to go there too, but had a discount in the Harrod's Foodhalls, so it was hard to justify skipping it to go to Harvey Nichs (too often).

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