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14. Tiemoue Bakayoko

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1 hour ago, Pizy said:

We've spent a combined £70m+ on Bakayoko and Batshuayi who between them struggle to control a football. They both fail at basic, simple passes. 😕

We should be actively finding a loan destination for Bats. Don't know what to do with Baka.

Don't forget Drinkwater. We've got 100m+ spent on nothing.

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4 minutes ago, nono said:

Don't forget Drinkwater. We've got 100m+ spent on nothing.

Say what you will about Drinkwater but at least he's good at the basics like controlling a pass and making simple ones himself. At the moment, any time a teammate isn't standing still while Baka passes them the ball it's wayward. 

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I used to defend this guy, but he isn't showing any progress and is showing poor after poor performances. I wasn't able to watch the game today, but from what I've seen through the season and from the reactions here, I can definitely understand why he is frustrating to watch. I just hope Conte will bench him and give Drinkwater more chance next to Kante.

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37 minutes ago, lucio said:

he's 23 , he should be showing signs of quality , its not like he is 16 , saying a  poor standard youngish player might get better in the future, does not justify the signing or continued selection

He hasn’t football brain. And no ball control. 

But he is monster.

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it makes me laugh now, this summer i said that he's a indecent player, who have had the lucky to play 1 year in one team that was a surprise! but was enough to saw him some games to know how good he really is!

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Really not good at the moment, but I don't think he should be given up on. He has the physical attributes to dominate games, he just needs to become far more polished.

For me he needs taking out of the firing line at the moment because he is clearly short of confidence and struggling, and fans are losing patience. If Barkley is fit, we now have five senior options for those midfield berths so hopefully we can get him out for a bit.

 

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10 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Really not good at the moment, but I don't think he should be given up on. He has the physical attributes to dominate games, he just needs to become far more polished.

For me he needs taking out of the firing line at the moment because he is clearly short of confidence and struggling, and fans are losing patience. If Barkley is fit, we now have five senior options for those midfield berths so hopefully we can get him out for a bit.

 

I'm not even seeing any physical attributes from him.

 

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1 hour ago, Special Juan said:

I'm not even seeing any physical attributes from him.

 

I mean that he has the physique to impose himself and seeing him at Monaco last season, he obviously has the stamina to get up and down the pitch.

But at the moment, technically he's way off.

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17 hours ago, Amblève. said:

As some of us said last summer we should have gone for Fabinho.

Fabinho wasn’t available at £40m though. Was heavily linked with Utd too but he’s still at Monaco. I reckon he’d cost closer to £60m/£70m in today’s market which we know the club would never spend. 

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16 hours ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Really not good at the moment, but I don't think he should be given up on. He has the physical attributes to dominate games, he just needs to become far more polished.

For me he needs taking out of the firing line at the moment because he is clearly short of confidence and struggling, and fans are losing patience. If Barkley is fit, we now have five senior options for those midfield berths so hopefully we can get him out for a bit.

 

Yup I agree, needs good time on the bench. Like Conte said, club placed a bit too much faith on him to deliver instantly, and we should’ve kept someone like Matic ahead of him to slowly integrate him into the team. 

Good thing is that Conte is being patient with him right now. 

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Drogba had a bit of a iffy start maybe be like him.. All of sudden bam he can play!!! Or probably bit to hopeful.. 

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Fabinho wasn’t available at £40m though. Was heavily linked with Utd too but he’s still at Monaco. I reckon he’d cost closer to £60m/£70m in today’s market which we know the club would never spend. 
I'm sure they would have taken Michy. He has no place at this club whilst Conte is in charge.

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Conte must have faith or sees something in him. He said that he needed time and would be much better player next year.

He reminds me not only physically of Chalobah and Remy. Where are they now?

Hes still scored 9 goals for us tho.

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1 hour ago, Laylabelle said:

Drogba had a bit of a iffy start maybe be like him.. All of sudden bam he can play!!! Or probably bit to hopeful.. 

Essien was very ordinary in his first season at Chelsea too I felt and in his second season became an absolute beast in the middle.

Even people like Lampard, who was 'premier league proven' took a long time (I'd say the best part of 18 months) to kick on.

Lots more players take time to adjust than those that hit the ground running, and even players that do hit the ground running will generally then go through a tough spell in this league (Costa, Morata, etc). 

He needs time before he can be truly judged in my opinion, but for now needs a rest.

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3 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

Essien was very ordinary in his first season at Chelsea too I felt and in his second season became an absolute beast in the middle.

Even people like Lampard, who was 'premier league proven' took a long time (I'd say the best part of 18 months) to kick on.

Lots more players take time to adjust than those that hit the ground running, and even players that do hit the ground running will generally then go through a tough spell in this league (Costa, Morata, etc). 

He needs time before he can be truly judged in my opinion, but for now needs a rest.

Exactly. The fact that the manager hasn’t binned him after some really bad performances means we should probably do the same and give Bakayoko at least a season or so to get acclimated to the PL. I’d be far more worried if he was at this level at let’s say, age 27/28.

He still hasn’t played anywhere near his Monaco level, so he needs to focus on getting back to there (that’s the player we paid £40m for), and then build on from there. 

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8 minutes ago, The Skipper said:

Exactly. The fact that the manager hasn’t binned him after some really bad performances means we should probably do the same and give Bakayoko at least a season or so to get acclimated to the PL. I’d be far more worried if he was at this level at let’s say, age 27/28.

He still hasn’t played anywhere near his Monaco level, so he needs to focus on getting back to there (that’s the player we paid £40m for), and then build on from there. 

Yes you can see the obvious differences between him and Drinkwater currently. Drinkwater is solid and dependable and that is why he has fit in pretty well. Whilst we paid a lot of money for him under the circumstances, I think we all felt we knew what we were getting with him and our expectations weren't too high. But Drinkwater is also safe and unspectacular and whilst you need players like that in any team to rely upon at times, I don't think he'll ever be a key player for the club.

I think there was a much greater expectation on Bakayoko and he was also brought in to be an 'upgrade' on Matic which was always going to make his situation much harder. At the moment he needs to focus on the basics that someone like Drinkwater does - recycle possession, tactically disciplined and working hard in the middle closing down and tackling. From that the confidence will come and we will hopefully see a better player.

What I think a lot of us were expecting was a tall, strong, physically imposing midfielder that can get up and down the pitch making tackles at one end and carrying the ball forward at the other, something relatively unique that a player like Drinkwater couldn't provide. We're not seeing it at the moment, but I'm not prepared to write him off yet.

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The fact the manager hasn't binned him off after so many bad performances probably means he also can't believe how shite he's been and that he can't possibly continue being that bad.....yet he has, time after time.

We have just bought Barkley for 15M and the lad has been slaughtered before kicking a ball, yet without him kicking a ball I'd oust Bakayoko without a single thought. This team cannot afford passengers, TB right now is offering absolute zero to this side, I mean to a point I would go as far to say he has been one of the worst players I have seen in the PL.

 

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