Osama bin Laden is dead

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

Senior Pakistani security officials have told al-Arabiya TV that Bin Laden's 12-year-old daughter said her father was captured alive and then shot dead by US commandos in the first few minutes of the 40-minute raid. The body of bin Laden's son was also taken away by helicopter, they added. The officials also said Bin Laden's wife, who was shot in the leg, had told them they had been living in Abbottabad for only five or six months. The CIA has said they discovered the compound in August.

One Pakistani security official also challenged the US account of a fierce firefight at the compound, telling al-Arabiya: "Not a single bullet was fired from the compound at the US forces and their helicopters. Their helicopter developed some technical fault and crashed and the wreckage was left on the spot." He said no weapons or explosives had been found during detailed searches of the compound on Monday and Tuesday.

They clearly went in to kill.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

And that's justice is it?

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

<br />Precisely. We all remember the failure of a plan that was Food for Oil in Iraq a few years ago.<br /><br />The <i>Arab Spring </i>is the perfect opportunity for US & UK to get their hands on some more Arab oil companies. Just like they did in South America, they're trying to hide there real agenda from the world, except this time, more people are awakened to the real reasons for American presence there. We need more Hugo Chavez-types. More leaders that will stand up to US tyranny and tell them to f*ck off when they try to come for the oil.<br /><br />I'm 100% confident that they're currently trying to spark a similar revolution in Saudi Arabia. God help the world if the Saudi's do kick off.. We may just see WW3.<br />

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Hugo Chavez?

You mean more people who are power-hungry luntaics? Who want to slowly establish a dictatorship and sprout out looney Conspiracy theories (i.e that the Haiti earthquake was a man-made event by the USA) and hire people to oppress anyone who voice oppistion against them?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Hugo Chavez?

You mean more people who are power-hungry luntaics? Who want to slowly establish a dictatorship and sprout out looney Conspiracy theories (i.e that the Haiti earthquake was a man-made event by the USA) and hire people to oppress anyone who voice oppistion against them?

Sigh.

Read what I posted to eldo when he asked me about my Hugo Chavez claim...

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

<br />Sigh.<br /><br />Read what I <a href=' class='bbc_url' title=''>posted to eldo</a> when he asked me about my Hugo Chavez claim...<br />

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />But when you say Chavez type leaders, its just make people think of someone who is batshit crazy and has a lust for power. Surly you could think of someone better then Chavez to put in your idea of an inspired leader... and no Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not a better example.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

And that's justice is it?

I'm sure the families that had relatives killed will say so.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

But when you say Chavez type leaders, its just make people think of someone who is batshit crazy and has a lust for power. Surly you could think of someone better then Chavez to put in your idea of an inspired leader... and no Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is not a better example.

Like I've said. The policies Chavez imposed, changed Venezuela for the better, and I know someone in Venezuela who will vouch for that.

There's no denying he's got many many flaws. But the policies is what I'm focusing on. When it comes to helping the poor, Chavez is inspiring. That's the truth of it.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I'm sure the families that had relatives killed will say so.

It would've been justice if it could be proven Bin Laden was responsible for those attacks, in a trial.

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

It would've been justice if it could be proven Bin Laden was responsible for those attacks, in a trial.

But then he would've revealed all the western politicians he worked with, silly!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

But then he would've revealed all the western politicians he worked with, silly!

Already proven but

Like seriously though, am I the only one who wants proof of his crimes? Especially 9/11.. I mean it's not like the Taliban didn't offer to hand over Bin Laden in '01 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/17/afghanistan.terrorism11

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

So who do you think carried out the 9/11 attacks... shape shifting reptiles?

[We Hate Scouse 10,326]

So who do you think carried out the 9/11 attacks... shape shifting reptiles?

It was obviously George Bush and his cronies (The reptiles) to cause tension in the West so they could freely go to war and steal oil. Who else could've it been!?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

So who do you think carried out the 9/11 attacks... shape shifting reptiles?

I don't know who did it.

But there is no proof it was Bin Laden. Everyone knows the bombers were Saudi. Saudi paid too. Everyone also knows Bin Laden hates Saudi Arabia, hence why he left them.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

<br />I don't know who did it. <br /><br />But there is no <b>proof </b>it was Bin Laden. Everyone knows the bombers were Saudi. Saudi paid too. Everyone also knows Bin Laden hates Saudi Arabia, hence why he left them.<br />

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So what about the videos where he says it in the open that he planned the attacks?

[LDN Blue 7,903]

So what about the videos where he says it in the open that he planned the attacks?

Right, so, he denies for over a year, more than 5 times that he denies any involvement. To multiple news outlets, he tells jounos that he had no knowledge of it & denies any involvement.

Then a tape turns up? A tape which looks nothing like him, which gets mistranslated and gets the rituals wrong? Why also would he leave the tap lying in a house which was ambushed? Usually they're sent to a news network (i.e. Al Jhezeera) like he did after the bombings in Nairobi & Dar Es Salaam and even after the bombings of USS Cole.

[Rubber bullets 1,183]

<br />Right, so, he denies for over a year, more than 5 times that he denies any involvement. To multiple news outlets, he tells jounos that he had no knowledge of it &amp; denies any involvement. <br /><br />Then a tape turns up? A tape which looks nothing like him, which gets mistranslated and gets the rituals wrong? Why also would he leave the tap lying in a house which was ambushed? Usually they're sent to a news network (i.e. Al Jhezeera) like he did after the bombings in Nairobi &amp; Dar Es Salaam and even after the bombings of USS Cole.<br />

<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Didn't he deny the 9/11 attacks top stop the invasion of Afghanistan? So if it was a fake video how comes he never had denied it was a fake video? Why did he afterwards keep telling everybody he did it and why did Al-Qaeda keep saying that they did it and he was one of the main leaders in the attack or atleast gave it his blessings?

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I don't know what you mean by the Balkans thing, please elaborate..

But you can't deny the USA's interference in South America making the social divide worse than ever. They were solely responsible for causing hyper inflation in the entire continent when they over threw each country's leaders and replaced them with their own puppet leaders. This made them plutocracies, keeping the rich - rich & poor even poorer. While still robbing them of their natural resources i.e. Oil.

When I say Hugo Chavez-type leaders. I mean leaders who will stand up for the poor and kick out American interference in their countries. Since Chavez has been in power the poverty gap has reduced enormously! The poverty line has shrunk and the state provides education, medical aid ect. I have heard of Chaez's oppression of opponents so I obviously don't support the man himself, but, I do respect his policies.

It wasn't just the Spanish speaking countries they ruined, look at their treatment of Cuba! It's no wonder people like Che Guevara & Fidel Castro are considered hero in those parts, because once the USA were gone.. Things did improve!

Che Guevara is heroe, becaue he was fighting against the capitalism and the USA who supported all the dictatortships in South America, including in Brazil.

Bush was a bad leader, but you can´t say he must go to jail, thats silly. Osama is a murderer, is a terrorist. Doesnt make sense talk about the bad american leaders right now, we are discussing Bin Laden's death, not if Bush is a bad leader or if he is a tyrant.

Chaves is not a lunatic. He is an astro-man, he say those crazy things for political marketing. Doesn't make any sense talk about Che and Chaves in the same topic about Bin Laden. Osama had a different purpose, he was fighting because he believed that Maomé told him to do so.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Bush was a bad leader, but you can´t say he must go to jail, thats silly. Osama is a murderer, is a terrorist. Doesnt make sense talk about the bad american leaders right now, we are discussing Bin Laden's death, not if Bush is a bad leader or if he is a tyrant.

What's silly about it? He started 2 illegal wars, for reasons that were not only awful, but invalid too. He should be tried for War Crimes at the Hague. But since America haven't "ratified" their membership it's unlikely to happen.

Che Guevara is heroe, becaue he was fighting against the capitalism and the USA who supported all the dictatortships in South America, including in Brazil.

Chaves is not a lunatic. He is an astro-man, he say those crazy things for political marketing. Doesn't make any sense talk about Che and Chaves in the same topic about Bin Laden. Osama had a different purpose, he was fighting because he believed that Maomé told him to do so.

Agree on the rest of this. Though the topic we had diverted to had relevance to Che & Chavez. I was merely making a point of such leaders emerging in the world to stop fanatics like Bin Laden from becoming powerful at all.

[LDN Blue 7,903]

Didn't he deny the 9/11 attacks top stop the invasion of Afghanistan? So if it was a fake video how comes he never had denied it was a fake video? Why did he afterwards keep telling everybody he did it and why did Al-Qaeda keep saying that they did it and he was one of the main leaders in the attack or atleast gave it his blessings?

Well, the Taliban before 9/11 offered to hand over Bin Laden to stop the Afghanistan invasion. Providing the USA could prove Bin Laden was responsible for the crimes they wanted to put him on trial for. So why couldn't they provide it?

As for the rest. You make good points. I do question why there was no denying or such. However that video is not legitimate. Anyone who's viewed it can tell you, comparing to other videos and photographs, that was not Bin Laden. However you are right as to why there was never any comeback from the Taliban.

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Why the hell didn't Obama order Osama be captured alive? Should have tortured him,not given him a quick death.