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[manpe 10,861]

No but prejudice. Why do you feel the need to over generalize the trait? If that was true, then we should have left Bayern the trophy when the 120 mins ended. But there are Geramns who loose in penalties.

The point is saying that someone is superior or inferior to another solely because of his race is the definition of racism and even if it is about something silly, it opens the door for the same "mentality" to be used on different traits.

And another point, the reason why, more often than not, Germans prevail in penalties is a certain mentality that a large group of Germans have due to their society. It has nothing to do with their race (meaning if a Chinese football player was born and raised in the same society, he is likely to have this same quality even if he is not of the German race).

Tbh the first Bayern player to miss a pen wasn't German, so even with Schweini's miss they would still have had a chance So essentially what that Chinese in a German society analogy means is, for example, if you raise a white kid in a black society, he'd be more likely to succeed as a rapper? This "prejudice" is based on historic facts, that Germans are usually successful at penalties for whatever reason. If jews make good lawyers, if there is strong enough evidence to support that claim, then it's not prejudice or racism. It is stereotypical and generalizing to say that Asians are smart and Jews are good with money, but stereotypes aren't always necessarily bad and they can be based off solid evidence... they usually don't evolve out of nothing, but they can be ignorant.

The thing is I would rather have a person saying "I love black people" instead of "I hate everybody except blacks", there's a massive difference between those two. Damn, I'm tired of all these racism discussions. The bottom line is that everything associated with superficial hatred and discrimination is not okay. Label it what you want, anything that is used to put down somebody is bad.

[Kez 2,727]

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You better have that on repeat on the plan!

Got it prepared for the drive to the airport!!

[1chelsea 864]

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[CHOULO19 24,332]

Tbh the first Bayern player to miss a pen wasn't German, so even with Schweini's miss they would still have had a chance So essentially what that Chinese in a German society analogy means is, for example, if you raise a white kid in a black society, he'd be more likely to succeed as a rapper? This "prejudice" is based on historic facts, that Germans are usually successful at penalties for whatever reason. If jews make good lawyers, if there is strong enough evidence to support that claim, then it's not prejudice or racism. It is stereotypical and generalizing to say that Asians are smart and Jews are good with money, but stereotypes aren't always necessarily bad and they can be based off solid evidence... they usually don't evolve out of nothing, but they can be ignorant.

The thing is I would rather have a person saying "I love black people" instead of "I hate everybody except blacks", there's a massive difference between those two. Damn, I'm tired of all these racism discussions. The bottom line is that everything associated with superficial hatred and discrimination is not okay. Label it what you want, anything that is used to put down somebody is bad.

I see your point mate and I may have not explained mine well so let me try again. The examples I gave in my previous post and the statement you mentioned about Germans and penalties are not "bad" because they don't insult anyone. But my point is I'd rather say something like "Most German players are excellent at penalties" because:

1) "Germans never loose penalties" is a logical fallacy.

2) I ask again: Why do you feel the need to over-generalize a trait, especially among a race? There are 1.5 million professional footballers in Germany (I read this number once but I'm not too sure about it), how many of them have you watched? 1000? 10000? For all you know, the vast majority of German footballers could be terrible at penalties. Same goes for black people and rapping. Rapping became trendy in some areas in the US that contain societies that are mostly made of black people. The actual ability to rap has nothing to do with skin color as I'm sure there are millions and millions of black people in Africa who can't rap. Why people feel the need to make a connection between rapping and skin color is honestly beyond me.

3) The dangerous part of these statements is the mentality behind them. You say that black people (in the US) are good at rapping because there are more rappers with black skin. If, at one point, there are more black or white people in jail, does that justify saying that this race or that race are criminals? The problem is "Black people are good rappers" and other similar sentences are one step away from "Black people criminals", "Arabs are terrorists", "The Irish are alchoholic"...etc

Again, you can't be racist against your own kind. No black person is going to say to another black person that he is racist

I'm sorry I just can't see the logic behind that, can you elaborate? And why can't someone say that a person of his own race is racist? I say that regularly to people of my own race who use the words "Black" and "Slave" interchangeably (an unfortunate and ignorant part of the evolution of the Lebanese dialogue that is thankfully becoming rarer)

[capriccioso 2,545]

I am growing out of it.

Don't you dare do a 'Sloth' and ask for a rename! Spike Spiegel is your identity!

Re: Germans and penalties

While not applicable to club level it certainly holds true with the national team. Lukas Podolski's penalty miss in the South Africa World Cup was the first time in 26 years a German failed to find the net from the spot, in either open play or shootout.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

Don't you dare do a 'Sloth' and ask for a rename! Spike Spiegel is your identity!

Re: Germans and penalties

While not applicable to club level it certainly holds true with the national team. Lukas Podolski's penalty miss in the South Africa World Cup was the first time in 26 years a German failed to find the net from the spot, in either open play or shootout.

He'll become plain and regular Jake soon.....

[capriccioso 2,545]

He'll become plain and regular Jake soon.....

Noo

What next, you becoming plain and regular Sam soon?

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

Noo

What next, you becoming plain and regular Sam soon?

No, I'll always hate Scouse.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

How naive and ignorant of me. We will always hate Scouse!

[capriccioso 2,545]

How naive and ignorant of me. We will always hate Scouse!

The big 3000 not that far off...

Pressure, pressure.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

The big 3000 not that far off...

Pressure, pressure.

Indeed I predict I will hit it on Thursday........My birthday

[Kez 2,727]

Off to Ibiza see you in a week. Enjoy the British summer!

[Spike 12,049]

Mladen Petric will fuck us next season.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Cech, Lamps, DD and Torres are nominated for best player in Europe, here's the full list: http://sulia.com/channel/euro-2012/f/105bfe5f-4be2-42d6-9583-a9bdf7d7b2fb/?source=twitter

Seriously Torres?? Who the hell makes this list?!

[OReillyD36 311]

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[Manuf 1,448]

Can anyone recommend a nice flavour of protein powder, getting sick of cookies & cream

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[OReillyD36 311]

coco rocks my world, shaked with milk is out of this earth.

Will try that when buying my next batch, thanks man

[termninja 5,290]

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