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[Stingray 9,441]

Actually,

Racism is just one form of ingroup outgroup psychology. If you put the triggers right anything can be used to divide a group in different 'races'. It is not just the colour of your skin.

Even more so, it is highly unlikely we have evolved psychological mechanisms to be racist because we never 'met' truly other races (which is biological nonsense btw - there is only one race Homo Sapiens) during our pleistocene past when our mental mechanisms got their shape (which they still have now btw)

This is research that kinda shook the whole outlook on racism:

http://www.pnas.org/content/98/26/15387.long

[Kieran. 6,317]

Are you implying that I use colourblindness as veil for my racism?

no, but you're acting as if having a fucking black friend means you're not racist.

[Stingray 9,441]

Are you implying that I use colourblindness as veil for my racism?

No he is talking about the work of Bonilla-Silva

http://crs.sagepub.com/content/28/1-2/41.short

[Kieran. 6,317]

Actually,

Racism is just one form of ingroup outgroup psychology. If you put the triggers right anything can be used to divide a group in different 'races'. It is not just the colour of your skin.

Even more so, it is highly unlikely we have evolved psychological mechanisms to be racist because we never 'met' truly other races (which is biological nonsense btw - there is only one race Homo Sapiens) during our pleistocene past when our mental mechanisms got their shape (which they still have now btw)

This is research that kinda shook the whole outlook on racism:

http://www.pnas.org/content/98/26/15387.long

I don't think race can be erased, even though race has very little impact biologically. It exists "socially" so it "exists"...if that makes sense.

To try to erase race is kind of racist, in the way that it negates people's experiences with their race and their identity, esp. for people of color.

[Spike 12,049]

no, but you're acting as if having a fucking black friend means you're not racist.

Well you seem to think I'm racist for some reason. I'm not even going to bother.

Even if you don't nearly everything you've said to me and this is my interpretation feels like you are implying that you think I'm racist.

[whatthemata 249]

I think I'll have weetabix

[Stingray 9,441]

To try to erase race is kind of racist, in the way that it negates people's experiences with their race and their identity, esp. for people of color.

It always baffles me how social constructionists/postmodernists (your argumentation is one) explain it like this. It is like Baron Von Munchausen who lifts himself up from a swamp by his own beard

If I follow your logic: all efforts to fight racism are racist. That is stuff of sophists. I do think Bonilla Silva is one - his claims are always true, no matter what. Hence they are unfalsifiable by nature and mere sophistry.

I do get where you come from though. It is just that if the marker that constitutes your 'race' is no longr relevant for people - racism as we know it will go away. The funny thing is - and this is what that research suggest - is that people are by nature looking for coalitions. So .... we will create other outgroups inevitably.

A true postmodernist would not need any science of course

ps: just teasing of course Kieran

[Kieran. 6,317]

It always baffles me how social constructionists/postmodernists (your argumentation is one) explain it like this. It is like Baron Von Munchausen who lifts himself up from a swamp by his own beard

If I follow your logic: all efforts to fight racism are racist. That is stuff of sophists. I do think Bonilla Silva is one - his claims are always true, no matter what. Hence they are unfalsifiable by nature and mere sophistry.

I do get where you come from though. It is just that if the marker that constitutes your 'race' is no longr relevant for people - racism as we know it will go away. The funny thing is - and this is what that research suggest - is that people are by nature looking for coalitions. So .... we will create other outgroups inevitably.

A true postmodernist would not need any science of course

ps: just teasing of course Kieran

We can't just live in a post-race society when race is still so apparent. Race literally defines so much for so many people, still.

[Stingray 9,441]

We can't just live in a post-race society when race is still so apparent. Race literally defines so much for so many people, still.

That is true. But it does not counter my hypothesis that ultimately it can be erased. And it will.

[Stingray 9,441]

I think I'll have weetabix

Or a banana .....

I always love seeing girls eat bananas.....

Or icecreams ....

[Kieran. 6,317]

That is true. But it does not counter my hypothesis that ultimately it can be erased. And it will.

What do you see happening?

[whatthemata 249]

Or a banana ..... I always love seeing girls eat bananas..... Or icecreams ....

And now I've stopped eating my cereal, I'm no longer hungry!

[Stingray 9,441]

I do finally see races mingle so much because of the way the world is evolving (global, mobility is increasing, internet, ....)

For example : in my family We have white, black, and every possible shade in between. If that is already happening, the trend will inevitably continue.

When that happens, race will become an obselete concept. Mind you, that could take ages.

I hope ....

[Stingray 9,441]

And now I've stopped eating my cereal, I'm no longer hungry!

You poor thing ...

[whatthemata 249]

You poor thing ...

Well that was smart of you!

[Stingray 9,441]

Well that was smart of you!

I'm so scared!!!!

[Hutcho 8,443]

Had to wake up early because gas man sorting out the boiler...

Not cool. Lol.

[Hutcho 8,443]

I'm so scared!!!!

Lol. I am watching scrubs right now. That is freaky.