Chelsea Transfers

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Just now, NikkiCFC said:

First refusal is different than buy back. If he doesn't want to go there he won't. 

And how does first refusal exactly work? 

Club A offers 5m for player X and club B with first refusal use this clause to stop transfer. Then club A offers 6m and club B can't do anything anymore? 

My understanding is that Club A makes an offer and if it is accepted then the club with the first refusal has the opportunity to match the offer first before the deal is signed off.

However this is just to be able to negotiate with the player and doesn't mean he has to accept that offer. He could accept the offer from Club A.

It just stops a deal under wraps being completed before there is any chance for Club B to react before the deal is done as the selling club have to keep them notified.

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Chelsea agree deal to sign Tromso teen Fiabema as Lampard plots January moves

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https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/chelsea-agree-deal-to-sign-tromso-teen-fiabema-as-lampard/frlb6umxmlhdznllnxcu7lev

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34 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I'm expecting both! With Chilwell, Ake and Isco I think those are our next five signings. 

IF Pep stays at Shitty, get prepared to be disappointed on Chilwell too, he obviously is not happy with his choices (all 3 of them, lololol) now and can easily raise funds by selling off 2 of them (LB's are so easy to sell just look at all the teams who want ours in the past 2 or 3 years)

I see zero links with us and Telles, let alone the far pricier (60m euro RC) Grimaldo and then the even more expensive (100m euro RC) Gaya, and after thsoe 4, it is a massive drop off, unless we can somehow make a deal with Bayern for Alaba (which is HIGHLY doubtful)

Sancho himself is very iffy, as (see above) Shitty have both a right of first refusal and a sell-on clause that lowers the price they pay by 20%)

the only for sure lock is Ake (due to his buyback clause)

Ben White is speculation, and I do not see us buying him unless we well Zouma as well (AC is surely gone, so Ake replaces him)

Romagnoli is now off the board due to his signing with that cunt Mino

Skriniar will be too, if he also signs with Mino and both he, and AR are in same boat as Ben White anyway, IF we keep Zouma, we will not buy any of them

Isco is speculation, plus I wager RM will pull some shit and do to us what Marina did to them with Alonso in 2018

Zaha is going to be the move we make, I fear IF Sancho deal goes up in smoke

I see little to no action/links going on with us and Ziyech (and that is even if that is a good deal, which I have doubts on)

 

Werner is a MUST buy IMHO, but there is absolutely zero guarantees on that, and he will not come I fear if we do not have CL football next year

If Werner falls though as well, I have no idea who we make a mover for, a lot of names linked, but I see nothing really concrete (I would hope it is Jovic on a loan with option to buy)

 

Bonus report on LB (a teen I said was the best or close to best youth option) I think this MIGHT be Leicester, getting ready to lose Chilwell, OR (let's hope so) it is Shitty making a move now OR the nightmare, it is either Victimpool or Manure or Spuds in which case even my main youth LB option is off the board with zero advantage to us

or maybe it is us (really doubtful I think, but who knows)

Premier League side makes €30m bid for Angers left-back Rayan Aït-Nouri

https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2019/premier-league-side-makes-e30m-bid-for-angers-left-back-rayan-ait-nouri/

L’Équipe report that 18-year-old Angers SCO left-back Rayan Aït-Nouri has been the subject of a €30m offer from an unnamed Premier League club.

A few days ago, Angers General Manager Olivier Pickeu met with Jorge Mendes, the teenager’s agent, in London on the subject of negotiations with a major English club about a January deal. In this meeting, a concrete €30m offer was conveyed to Angers for the player.

The club is a top 5 Premier League team, but their identity has yet to be unveiled. In recent past, both Manchester clubs have been after Aït-Nouri. The player is kept up to date about discussions week after week. Angers representatives are determined to make the player’s departure a club record sale.

Mendes and Pickeu have become unlikely buddies in recent years and are working together towards that goal for Le SCO.

Pickeu wants €35m in order to let the player go, and several possible scenarios have been talked through to that end. A William Saliba – Arsenal type deal that would see Aït-Nouri return on loan to Angers for some time, for example. Angers representatives would prefer not to sell the player until summer, but won’t rule a January exit out…

 

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31 minutes ago, Nicco said:

Bullshit, if Sancho doesn't want to return to City they can't do shit.

lol

you need to read up on contractual law

a player has no rights to refuse a buy-back or a right of refusal clause unless that is specifically written into the contract (and why would a team ever do that as it defeats the entire purpose of either clause)

I have posted extensively on this before

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38 minutes ago, Superblue_1986 said:

As far as I'm aware right of refusal is they have the right to match any other offers on the table and it would have to be accepted.

But that doesn't mean Sancho can be forced to sign for them. He can choose one of the other options. There is absolutely no way it would be allowed for City to force him to sign for them if he doesn't want to.

All it does is prevent a club and Dortmund keeping from blocking them out of the market for the player.

wrong

see my other posts on the subject

unless it is written into the contract (which makes ZERO sense for Shitty or any team to do so at it defeats the entire purpose of both a buy back and a right of first refusal clause) a player cannot void the deal. He signed the contract, he must legally abide by it. And if Sane is sold to Bayern, Sancho would have little reason to NOT want to go back to them anyway, as it would be Pep and the club not only admitting they made a huge mistake, but paying dearly to sort that mistake)

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A first refusal transfer clause gives the club who has the benefit of the clause the opportunity to be informed of any deal that the selling club is willing to accept for the transfer of the player. This is different from a buy-back clause because usually with a first refusal clause, the selling club retains the power to decide whether to sell the player or not. Typically, a buy-back clause automatically triggers the transfer of the player should specific contractual conditions be met. In practice, the selling club will not have any way of refusing the buy-back offer if the clause is intended to be an automatic trigger and it is drafted appropriately.

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12 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

A first refusal transfer clause gives the club who has the benefit of the clause the opportunity to be informed of any deal that the selling club is willing to accept for the transfer of the player. This is different from a buy-back clause because usually with a first refusal clause, the selling club retains the power to decide whether to sell the player or not. Typically, a buy-back clause automatically triggers the transfer of the player should specific contractual conditions be met. In practice, the selling club will not have any way of refusing the buy-back offer if the clause is intended to be an automatic trigger and it is drafted appropriately.

If City match the price, Sancho will go back to them, I see little to stop that from happening. I do not see Sancho vetoing it, for reasons stated above.

That 20% sell-on clause also gives them a huge advantage as well.

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5 minutes ago, Vesper said:

If City match the price, Sancho will go back to them, I see little to stop that from happening. I do not see Sancho vetoing it, for reasons stated above.

That 20% sell-on clause also gives them a huge advantage as well.

I just read Sancho thread on Blue Moon forum and didn't see one comment as convinced as you are about Sancho going back to City. 

No one is expecting that they will even use first refusal clause. 

After all, Sancho is Chelsea fan just like you and me. What would you do in his position? Plus his best mates are already here. He's from London... 

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1 hour ago, Jason said:

EH? They have that right in the contract? First I've heard of it. 

the right of first refusal has been talked about since I joined here, or near to it

 

Man City hoping to lure Jadon Sancho back in £90m transfer… and believe five things are in their favour above rivals

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10563805/man-city-jadon-sancho-90m-transfer-dortmund/

MANCHESTER CITY are stepping up their pursuit to get Jadon Sancho back from Borussia Dortmund.

And Pep Guardiola’s side believe there are five key reasons why they are favourite to land the England winger.

The 19-year-old quit the Etihad in the summer of 2017 in his search for regular first-team football.

He has gone on to become one of the best attackers in Europe, scoring 21 goals in just 59 Bundesliga matches.

The Continent's elite are all looking to snap him up, including Manchester United, Chelsea, Real Madrid and Barcelona.

But City feel have the advantage on their rivals, with a number of contractual factors already in their favour.

These include:

20 per cent discount of transfer fee due to sell on clause.
Option to match any offer which comes in from other clubs.
Big pals with Raheem Sterling and other England players.
Knows the club inside out after spending two years there.
Looking to quit Dortmund in search of a step up in club ambition.

City have started to look for a replacement for Leroy Sane, as Bayern Munich prepare another bid.

It is understood Guardiola has sent staff over to Germany for regular scouting missions on Sancho since he left.

 

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3 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I just read Sancho thread on Blue Moon forum and didn't see one comment as convinced as you are about Sancho going back to City. 

No one is expecting that they will even use first refusal clause. 

After all, Sancho is Chelsea fan just like you and me. What would you do in his position? Plus his best mates are already here. He's from London... 

lets hope so

if Sanes goes to Bayern, Shitty will be looking to replace

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5 minutes ago, NikkiCFC said:

I just read Sancho thread on Blue Moon forum and didn't see one comment as convinced as you are about Sancho going back to City. 

No one is expecting that they will even use first refusal clause. 

After all, Sancho is Chelsea fan just like you and me. What would you do in his position? Plus his best mates are already here. He's from London... 

I have to add, I am not 100% convinced that Shitty would do it, but I am wary of the option

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From Blue Moon forum... 

Not exactly ITK but a friend of mine is best mates with one of the lads in youth recruitment at City, he was involved in bringing Sancho up from Watford etc. He is in contact with Sancho quite a lot and basically the word is that he doesn't want to come back to Manchester. He is targeting a move to Chelsea but he has been hearing they will go for Zaha in January which would stop that move as they already have Hudson-Odoi. Plenty could change of course but just a little snippet of info.

I still think Zaha is smoke screen. No way we go for him over Sancho... 

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47 minutes ago, Vesper said:

wrong

see my other posts on the subject

unless it is written into the contract (which makes ZERO sense for Shitty or any team to do so at it defeats the entire purpose of both a buy back and a right of first refusal clause) a player cannot void the deal. He signed the contract, he must legally abide by it. And if Sane is sold to Bayern, Sancho would have little reason to NOT want to go back to them anyway, as it would be Pep and the club not only admitting they made a huge mistake, but paying dearly to sort that mistake)

I've never before seen or heard of an interpretation of this clause as that.

Otherwise every club would sell their players in that way.

So Burnley sell a player with first refusal and 2-3 years later this player develops into a top drawer player and Barcelona or Real Madrid want him but he is 'forced' to rejoin Burnley because they've matched an offer from those two?! I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to force a player to move back once you've signed over their registration. That level of control would not be allowed.

Similar to a buy-back clause. If we triggered Ake's that doesn't mean he has to move back if he wants to remain at Bournemouth. You'd never want to bring a player in anyway that doesn't want to join your club, especially for £120m.

Now a decision between us and City is completely separate. City are obviously hugely attractive but it's hardly like we are some little club fighting a European heavyweight. There would be lots of reasons why Sancho would possibly choose us over City.

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1 minute ago, NikkiCFC said:

From Blue Moon forum... 

Not exactly ITK but a friend of mine is best mates with one of the lads in youth recruitment at City, he was involved in bringing Sancho up from Watford etc. He is in contact with Sancho quite a lot and basically the word is that he doesn't want to come back to Manchester. He is targeting a move to Chelsea but he has been hearing they will go for Zaha in January which would stop that move as they already have Hudson-Odoi. Plenty could change of course but just a little snippet of info.

I still think Zaha is smoke screen. No way we go for him over Sancho... 

 

lets hope this is indeed the case

I have gotten my hopes up a dozen times in last 6 years or so only to end up disappointed

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I'm a big fan of Sancho but I actually think £120m is a ridiculous amount to be having to pay.

Having said that, if the alternative is Zaha and he's £80m then Sancho should be prioritised.