Callum Hudson-Odoi

[pHaRaOn 2,131]

3 hours ago, Robchels said:

Agreed. Also, imo the problem wasn’t that he did not play enough, but that he played too much given his contractual situation.

had he been under the radar, there would be no England, no Bayern, and he’d be far more willing to sign a new deal.

imo the fuckup wasn’t the lack of minutes.

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Hudson-Odoi played only 35 minutes before those Bayern rumours started.

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1 hour ago, pHaRaOn said:

Hudson-Odoi played only 35 minutes before those Bayern rumours started.

Bayern saw him play somewhere did they not? Or was it just agent talk?

when a young player does not have much time left, it is very common practice to remove him from rotation in all fronts.

thats literally the only power the clubs have these days, with the scale tipped heavily towards players and agents.

Trusting loyalty or that he will sign a new deal if given enough minutes is naive at best imo.

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2 hours ago, pHaRaOn said:

Hudson-Odoi played only 35 minutes before those Bayern rumours started.

league minutes, yes, around that

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5 hours ago, Robchels said:

Agreed. Also, imo the problem wasn’t that he did not play enough, but that he played too much given his contractual situation.

had he been under the radar, there would be no England, no Bayern, and he’d be far more willing to sign a new deal.

imo the fuckup wasn’t the lack of minutes.

 

thats just dead wrong

he had not played for shit when Bayern came sniffing around, starting in November or so in the press

35 minutes in the Europa league

NONE in the EPL

NONE in the FA cup

60 in the community shield <<<< LOLOLOL as if that matters, fucking DRINKWATER played in that

 

if you take it up to the window opening on Jan 1

add 180 more for the EL

42 in the EPL

thats IT

LOL at we played him too much

you must be having a laugh

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Vesper said:

thats just dead wrong

he had not played for shit when Bayern came sniffing around, starting in November or so in the press

35 minutes in the Europa league

NONE in the EPL

NONE in the FA cup

60 in the community shield <<<< LOLOLOL as if that matters, fucking DRINKWATER played in that

 

if you take it up to the window opening on Jan 1

add 180 more for the EL

42 in the EPL

thats IT

LOL at we played him too much

you must be having a laugh

 

 

 

So, I ask again, if Bayern did not see him enough, why do they want him? For his nice smile? Because Odoi's agent convinced Bayern that Odoi is the next messi? Come on!  

They want him because Bayern scouts saw him play (senior and youth levels) and liked what they saw. My point remains that the club has control over that and could have made his appearances more difficult until he signed a new deal.

While I know it has happened before, the players rarely stays once he hands in a transfer request. The relationship between player/agent and club becomes more difficult than before.

You may have your opinion and I have mine: trusting that he will become happy with more appearances is naive. There is no guarantees and the club should not bend backwards for this little shit.

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14 minutes ago, Robchels said:

My point remains that the club has control over that and could have made his appearances more difficult until he signed a new deal.

bollocks, not even worth a full response, but I will give one anyway

admit you were wrong

because you are just digging yourself deeper into a hole

I already showed you how little he played, it was ludicrously low levels

 

following your logic,

maybe we should have just locked him up in a dog cage until he put pen to paper

 

bottom line

Sarri is a cunt and probably cost us CHO

the board are bigger cunts for hiring that fucker and destroying our team's elite level and breaking laws of football to a point where we have a ruinous 2 window ban

the club needs to be sold before even more damage is done

at what point will people wake up?

we STILL do not have a goddamn DoF ffs

and they are in no hurry to get one

Marina is insanely bad at the football part of her job

Marina is Roman's puppet

the buck stops with Abramovich

sell the bloody club

he is taking us straight down the shitter

 

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Vesper said:

bollocks, not even worth a full response, but I will give one anyway

admit you were wrong

because you are just digging yourself deeper into a hole

I already showed you how little he played, it was ludicrously low levels

 

maybe we should have just locked him up in a dog cage until he put pen to paper

 

bottom line

Sarri is a cunt and probably cost us CHO

the board are bigger cunts for hiring that fucker and destroying our team's elite level and breaking laws of football to a point where we have a ruinous 2 window ban

the club needs to be sold before even more damage is done

at what point will people wake up?

we STILL do not have a goddamn DoF ffs

and they are in no hurry to get one

Marina is insanely bad at the football part of her job

Marina is Roman's puppet

the buck stops with Abramovich

sell the bloody club

he is taking us straight down the shitter

 

 

 

 

Now you understand, thank you:

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maybe we should have just locked him up in a dog cage until he put pen to paper

I admit that you very wrong.  

Wrong... I mean he may be a bad manager, but I do not believe a different manager, in his first season at the club, would've given Odoi much more playing time. That's reality...

While I agree with the other points you made, they point to the mismanagement in Odoi's contract, which I happen to believe is the root cause that he will leave.

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3 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Now you understand, thank you:

I admit that you very wrong.  

Wrong... I mean he may be a bad manager, but I do not believe a different manager, in his first season at the club, would've given Odoi much more playing time. That's reality...

While I agree with the other points you made, they point to the mismanagement in Odoi's contract, which I happen to believe is the root cause that he will leave.

naw mate

and with that

I am done with this

as we are just never going to agree

 

[Nicco 927]

31 minutes ago, Robchels said:

Wrong... I mean he may be a bad manager, but I do not believe a different manager, in his first season at the club, would've given Odoi much more playing time. That's reality...

This is so spot on I don't understand how can anyone be in total denial. Mourinho and Conte wouldn't have played him any more than Sarri did. Most overrated player I've ever seen, shown so little and is compared to Messi according to some of our fans. I already started to dislike the bloke with that transfer request but the more I read this thread the more I start to hate this kid the way some think Sarri is to blame for him refusing to sign is hilarious.

I read some days ago from someone saying Sarri is an asshole because he didn't talk to CHO about the racism remarks that happened during the Montenegro match, imagine the absolute state of this place when this isn't even the responsibility of the coach to do this especially in that match that had no business with him.

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17 hours ago, Vesper said:

naw mate

and with that

I am done with this

as we are just never going to agree

 

And there is nothing wrong with that.  

On the other hand, you, and others here, who claim that "Sarri is the reason we are going to lose Odoi" are the ones making the assumption, not I. The assumption being that a different manager, under similar circumstances, would've done differently.

not to mention the other assumption that odoi only wants to move to Bayern bc of lack of playing time.

17 hours ago, Nicco said:

This is so spot on I don't understand how can anyone be in total denial. Mourinho and Conte wouldn't have played him any more than Sarri did. Most overrated player I've ever seen, shown so little and is compared to Messi according to some of our fans. I already started to dislike the bloke with that transfer request but the more I read this thread the more I start to hate this kid the way some think Sarri is to blame for him refusing to sign is hilarious.

I read some days ago from someone saying Sarri is an asshole because he didn't talk to CHO about the racism remarks that happened during the Montenegro match, imagine the absolute state of this place when this isn't even the responsibility of the coach to do this especially in that match that had no business with him.

heh yup... imagine Jose Mourinho dealing with CHO... haha players need to be past 30 to play for that guy.  

I think it's because fans confuse potential with quality. Odoi may have potential, but he does not yet have the quality. And now it is difficult to justify developing him after he handed in a transfer request. Should we care this much for a player who wants out and is likely working with his agent towards that goal?

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I read some days ago from someone saying Sarri is an asshole because he didn't talk to CHO about the racism remarks that happened during the Montenegro match

goddamned right he is a fucking asshole

pure cunt

he can fuck off

anyone who denies this has no clue what it is like to be a person of colour like I am and to be racially abused

talk about a lack of awareness

fucking sickening

[Trueblue9877 6]

If CHO leaves then serious questions need to be asked of Sarri considering how Willian and Pedro have been so inconsistent this season, CHO always looks lively when he gets the chance to shine compared to them who can go missing or just look uninterested, players should be picked on merit instead of experience, don't get me started on Willian's corners! at least he finally put in a good one against Cardiff.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Trueblue9877 said:

If CHO leaves then serious questions need to be asked of Sarri considering how Willian and Pedro have been so inconsistent this season, CHO always looks lively when he gets the chance to shine compared to them who can go missing or just look uninterested, players should be picked on merit instead of experience, don't get me started on Willian's corners! at least he finally put in a good one against Cardiff.

The problem is the club. 

They want youth but get managers that are not for this. 

They don't know jack and are inconsistent in their policy. 

Furthermore these type of things should never gotten to this. Should have been resolved way before getting Sarri. 

I don't blame Sarri i blame the board! 

[MoroccanBlue 5,377]

5 minutes ago, Fernando said:

They want youth but get managers that are not for this. 

I think there is massive pressure on the manager, from the board, to play players that were invested on. 

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Sarri has said that CHO will start against either Brighton or Wet Spam......me I think he should start both.