🇪🇸 Álvaro Morata

[the wes 7,212]

Juventus are yet to bid for Chelsea striker Alvaro Morata, 25, despite reports a fee has been agreed for the Spaniard. (Goal)

[11Drogba 2,000]

6 hours ago, Jason said:

Oh god. How desperate were you that you had to go dig out one of old my tweets? And imagine my shock at people taking a point at that particular time out of context.   Suarez was hardly a clinical goalscorer for Liverpool back in August 2012, only became one after that! 

No just like Dybala is now, even then it was obvious that Suarez was exceptional player as some were rating him and you were calling him overrated.

You would probably oppose Suarez transfer to us back then saying he is overrated.

Your constant "this player is overrated" and "that manager needs more criticism" posts are getting really boring for me. So I would appreciate if you stop quoting me and telling me that

 

[Jase 43,479]

1 hour ago, 11Drogba said:

No just like Dybala is now, even then it was obvious that Suarez was exceptional player as some were rating him and you were calling him overrated.

So if some think a player is good, I have to agree? Suarez has the skills but back then, his end product was horrendous and that was the point but I guess you ignored that since you only knew how to take things out of context and say, not even bothered reading the replies.

1 hour ago, 11Drogba said:

Your constant "this player is overrated" and "that manager needs more criticism" posts are getting really boring for me. So I would appreciate if you stop quoting me and telling me that

That's funny. I seem to remember it was you who quoted me yesterday to begin with in the Conte thread. And while I did do that in this particular discussion, you could have just ignored me but you didn't.

In any case, ta. 

[11Drogba 2,000]

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"You would probably oppose Suarez transfer to us back then saying he is overrated."

Classic

[Amblève. 4,995]

Bitch-ass player will be a bitch-ass player.

[LAM09 7,056]

Couldn't even tell we had two strikers on the field for 30 mins+. Needs to seriously look at sorting himself out or arrange a flight back to Juve's bench.

[Special Juan 28,141]

Nothing new here, he's terrible, get shot.

[Thor 2,712]

Such fickle supporters. 

[LAM09 7,056]

Such fickle supporters. 

Fine to rip Bakayoko to shreds but people are "fickle" for doing the same to Morata, who cost twice as much.

Give it a rest

[Unionjack 7,531]

2 hours ago, Mana said:

send him out on loan

You really cant expect us to send out a £70mill player out on loan!

Thats what them tight twats Juve think they are going to get ith a buy option. Loan him gor £15mill then a £45 mill payment IF they want him.

How is it these clubs manage to get these big loans and yebt we get what we can scrape up?

[Special Juan 28,141]

We don't get good loans because the club would sooner go and pay 30M for Drinkwater.

[Jase 43,479]

6 hours ago, Mana said:

Dybala won titles ever since 2015 though. And Dybala certainly did better than what Morata did in Juventus.

If you want to start talking about titles, then Morata has won them ever since 2011. 

6 hours ago, Mana said:

Also don't give the "first season in a new country" crap. That's old as heck. Morata flopped in Madrid TWICE, and now he has flopped here this season. He has flopped more times in his career than have a successful one. Which was one season. With Juventus. Which Dybala was Juve's top scorer that season.

Yup, the "first season in a new country" is cliche as fuck but imagine if we had sold Drogba after only one season back in 2005?

6 hours ago, Mana said:

Dybala > Morata. There is a lot more evidence to that. The reason why Morata got so much attention because of his performance in Euro 2016 on top of having a great season with Juve prior. But him having a great season doesn't mean he was Juve's top scorer, in fact he Juve's THIRD top scorer.

My original point wasn't even about Morata being better than Dybala or Dybala being better than Morata. More of the fact that, despite his goals and assists, Dybala hasn't always hit the heights on a consistent basis. Putting Morata aside, even if we bring Dybala in, is he even guaranteed to be a success with us? Continue with this turgid style and players like him are never going to shine on a consistent basis upfront.

[Thor 2,712]

49 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Fine to rip Bakayoko to shreds but people are "fickle" for doing the same to Morata, who cost twice as much.

Give it a rest

Whatever. 

As was posted earlier here, the chart showing he scored some important goals for us and won us a lot of points. 

A goal every 3 games in his first season dealing with injuries and a few appearances where he received only 5-10 minute spells. Scoring at a rate similar to Lukaku in his first season.

Keep swapping players in and out, get no consistency, don't give any players a chance to improve. Whatever. 

You guys are probably the same ones that complain about lack of consistent attacking play, yet won't give the players time to build with each other and learn to play off one another. 

[LAM09 7,056]

Whatever. 
As was posted earlier here, the chart showing he scored some important goals for us and won us a lot of points. 
A goal every 3 games in his first season dealing with injuries and a few appearances where he received only 5-10 minute spells. Scoring at a rate similar to Lukaku in his first season.
Keep swapping players in and out, get no consistency, don't give any players a chance to improve. Whatever. 
You guys are probably the same ones that complain about lack of consistent attacking play, yet won't give the players time to build with each other and learn to play off one another. 

He's an impact player no matter how you look at it. Did Juve & Madrid not give him enough time either?

We need a striker that offers something on a consistent basis, whether it be goals, assists or just a presence.

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, Mana said:

Incorrect. Morata only won TWO titles since 2011. Dybala won titles consistently since 2015.

Morata has got 13 titles - 8 with Real Madrid and 5 with Juventus. Where did you get the two from?

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

Oh FFS. Again playing that tired Drogba card. Morata is NO Didier Drogba. Drogba didn't flop in his teams prior to his first season in Chelsea. Drogba was a one-off.

Easy to say now on hindsight. If that 04/05 Drogba was playing now, wouldn't people be calling for him to be sold? It is a tired example but sadly, it's still a relevant one.

6 minutes ago, Mana said:

What about Pato, Torres, Shevo, Crespo? Why can't you play those cards?

Maybe because you and I view "flop" differently. Morata wasn't a resounding success at Juventus and Real Madrid but was he a flop? Not for me. He's in the middle. Just because someone didn't too well before doesn't mean he can't reverse his fortune going forward.

11 minutes ago, Mana said:

No it isn't guaranteed, but I have more faith with Dybala then our current supposed starman.

Easy to say that. If Dybala had been in Morata's shoes this season, you would likely be complaining about the same things.

12 minutes ago, Mana said:

Obviously we need someone better, but I'm sorry, comparing Morata to Dybala is ridiculous.

Erm, I think you compared them both to begin with. 

[Jase 43,479]

3 minutes ago, Mana said:

Yes, because you started arguing with 11Drogba saying Dybala "hardly been setting the world alight" like he's in the same level as Morata which is far from the truth.

You interpreted it that way. I didn't explicitly compare them and it's never my intention to compare. Only wanted to mention that Dybala hasn't been all that WOW.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Ta. 

[akgw13 867]

He has been wildly frustrating, The physical toll wore him down and then he broke mentally. He is a sensitive player which has been a knock throughout his career. His back injury was far worse than I think any of us know. The team has had a somewhat toxic energy which makes it difficult for even our best more comfortable players to perform, let alone a new high priced signee who has never played in the prem. Even Hazard has been inconsistent, every single player has been. Conte included.

I do NOT want to sell Morata and cut our losses just yet, He is too talented to give up on. A new coach will be incoming, he might play a style and inject some confidence into us. That is all we need. Our bounces and breaks didn't go our way this year, shit happens. Confidence is Key ESPECIALLY for a player like Morata. 

Many of you obviously disagree, it is a divisive topic. I choose to give players like Morata & Bakayoko another prove it year. Ross Barkley starts fresh next year as well. These guys have talent and were wanted across europe, we just need to support the team and hopefully the new coach instills confidence. No more suffering and defeatist attitude.  

[Amblève. 4,995]

Saying that Morata scores every 3rd game is so terribly misleading. In saying so you are implying consistency which Morata has not shown at Chelsea (nor anywhere else for that matter).

To put Morata's PL goal scoring into context:

- Morata has scored more goals in his first 6 PL games (6; 3 of which came in a hat-trick vs Stoke) than in his last 24 (5).
- Out of his last 24 PL games Morata has played 60+ minutes in 18 games so he has had enough time to make a goal contribution in those games.
- Against top-6 opponents Morata has scored 2 goals in 8 games (10 games actually but I took out the 2 games vs City since he only played a combined 36 minutes in both games)
- In 2018 Morata has scored 1 PL goal.

...and these are only the numbers. Getting into his bitch-ass attitude on the pitch, his stupid yellow cards, and his missed sitters would just make me even more depressed.

[Jase 43,479]

7 minutes ago, Mana said:

Why are you backing Morata so much? Are you friends with him or something? Evidence shows he is not good enough. He's one of the main reasons why we are 5th.

Just because someone hasn't been good, doesn't he/she can't become better. Not everyone hit peak form at the same time. As I've mentioned several times, I'm willing to give him another season, based on the good things he did in the first half of the season. If he can become consistent next season, then great. If not, sell him. Our striker situation isn't exactly bright and sunny at the moment but we have far bigger problems in the squad that need immediate fixing - like the midfield and wide attackers. 

[Jase 43,479]

1 minute ago, Mana said:

He's 25 Jason. Morata has scored 11 so far this season with two more games to go, 4 goals lower this record. He's not going to get better, and if he does, it's probably because of the whole team's confidence. Which by then, even Bats and Giroud would be fantastic options.

He had since 2014 to be "consistent". That's why he isn't good enough, and hoping next season will be different is very huge risk. We cannot afford to take a huge risk like this. Two seasons with no CL will be a massive disaster for the club, and it will happen if Morata doesn't break his set record of 15 goals per season.

All teams above us have at least one striker with 20+ goals per season.

Arsenal no doubt, with a new manager will kick Lacazette and Aubameyang to score 20+ goals because those two strikers are capable of score 20+ by their track record.

I know you love Morata, but for the future of this club it's too big of a risk. We have to drop him to the bench next season while getting a capable striker OR sell him/put him on loan.

lol Like I said previously, agree to disagree.