Gonzalo Higuain

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

We're not stuffed with goal scoring wingers or midfielders at the moment, as a matter of fact Hazard is not your goal scoring, star player and Willian/Pedro's end product is average at best. Giroud won't score you an awful lot of goals, he's more of a perfect target man nowadays and Morata I find him a good player, technically very good, but not a goal scoring machine to be honest to score the odd 20-25 goals every PL season. 

Sarri and Higuain have a special relationship and I think he needs a man he can totally trust up front knowing he'll have enough creative players around to bring him the ball in front of the net. Higuain had that monster season a few years back under Sarri and I think he was the first to score 36 goals in a single Italian first league season since some bloke did it in the 1925 or 1926 or something like that. If Sarri trusts him I am all for this transfer, first few months are going to be a bit difficult for Sarri until he gets his ideas straight, he needs a goal scorer he can trust to make life a bit easier even when the team has a rough patch. 

[Unionjack 7,531]

1 hour ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

I feel like Morata can do just as good of a job as Higuain.

I know Ive got an overdose of dopamine right now with the 2 most exciting bits of news we have had in awhile but am still hoping for similar. But still wondering IF Sarri might get into Moratas head and give it a reboot.

  Eden or A.N.Other - Higuain - Willi or Martial or A.N.Other

                     Kante - Jorginho  - Golovin

             Emerson - Rudiger - Rugani - Dave

                            Tibo or Alisson

[LAM09 7,062]

Bayer value him higher than 40m in fact their price tag is closer to 70m

That was the fee going around during the season. Their failure to finish in the top 4 will have a bearing.

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6 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

8 hours ago, bluesman2610 said:

Bayer value him higher than 40m in fact their price tag is closer to 70m

That was the fee going around during the season. Their failure to finish in the top 4 will have a bearing.

Last I saw was 53mill

[LAM09 7,062]

Last I saw was 53mill

That might be slightest more realistic than 70m.

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22 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Last I saw was 53mill

 

21 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

22 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

Last I saw was 53mill

That might be slightest more realistic than 70m.

the reported 53m was rejected as a bid from Bayern Munich the last figure reported as of May 29 after the season had ended was 88m. During the height of the season January through April Bayer were asking for 100m - we could realistically probably do a deal with them for around 58m-63m I feel though. If by some miracle we do a deal for less Marina would deserve a pay increase.

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9 minutes ago, bluesman2610 said:

 

the reported 53m was rejected as a bid from Bayern Munich the last figure reported as of May 29 after the season had ended was 88m. During the height of the season January through April Bayer were asking for 100m - we could realistically probably do a deal with them for around 58m-63m I feel though. If by some miracle we do a deal for less Marina would deserve a pay increase.

Daily Mail today said that Juve valued him at £53mill. We were looking at a swap but they were looking for cash for Ronaldo,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5952279/Chelsea-want-Gonzalo-Higuain-Alvaro-Morata-swap-deal.html

I wonder what Ronaldo would think about playing with Morata again? I didn't think they got on too well??

 

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1 minute ago, Unionjack said:

Daily Mail today said that Juve valued him at £53mill. We were looking at a swap but they were looking for cash for Ronaldo,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5952279/Chelsea-want-Gonzalo-Higuain-Alvaro-Morata-swap-deal.html

I wonder what Ronaldo would think about playing with Morata again? I didn't think they got on too well??

 

you are talking about Gonzalo i was making reference to Leon Bailey - Higuan really shouldn't be more than 50m to be honest and id reckon even less just due tohis age and seeming decline in volume of goals

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2 minutes ago, bluesman2610 said:

you are talking about Gonzalo i was making reference to Leon Bailey - Higuan really shouldn't be more than 50m to be honest and id reckon even less just due tohis age and seeming decline in volume of goals

Sorry. Didn't see any reference to Bailey

I wouldn't worry about £3mill after all the waiting and dealing gone thro since season ended.

I just think back with Sarri, someone who knows each other inside out and like each other allot he would be a fenom with Jorgi boy feeding him

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Just now, Unionjack said:

Sorry. Didn't see any reference to Bailey

I wouldn't worry about £3mill after all the waiting and dealing gone thro since season ended.

I just think back with Sarri, someone who knows each other inside out and like each other allot he would be a fenom with Jorgi boy feeding him

I can agree it would seem like a match made in Heaven given their past however I just feel uneasy paying that much for a player past his best when we have two very young and talent strikers that could do the same job plus a plan b option in Giroud. I honestly think Michy has the goal scoring ability to replicate what Higuain did for Napoli we could take that same money and put it towards a proper RW that has pace and can score which is also crucial in Sarri's system

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55 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

I know Ive got an overdose of dopamine right now with the 2 most exciting bits of news we have had in awhile but am still hoping for similar. But still wondering IF Sarri might get into Moratas head and give it a reboot.

  Eden or A.N.Other - Higuain - Willi or Martial or A.N.Other

                     Kante - Jorginho  - Golovin

             Emerson - Rudiger - Rugani - Dave

                            Tibo or Alisson

You look at Higuain's numbers under Sarri and at Juve.  Look at Morata's number with us and with Juve, maybe Sarri can turn Morata in to Napoli's Higuain.  He's got to at least work with him first.  I'd be hesitant to splash the cash until we know what we've got on our hands.  Especially since Morata is younger and we just bought him.

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1 minute ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

You look at Higuain's numbers under Sarri and at Juve.  Look at Morata's number with us and with Juve, maybe Sarri can turn Morata in to Napoli's Higuain.  He's got to at least work with him first.  I'd be hesitant to splash the cash until we know what we've got on our hands.  Especially since Morata is younger and we just bought him.

Completely agree with this I'd be upset if we let either of our strikers go for Higuain it just doesn't make sense. It feels extremely shortsighted

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10 hours ago, bluesman2610 said:

I can agree it would seem like a match made in Heaven given their past however I just feel uneasy paying that much for a player past his best when we have two very young and talent strikers that could do the same job plus a plan b option in Giroud. I honestly think Michy has the goal scoring ability to replicate what Higuain did for Napoli we could take that same money and put it towards a proper RW that has pace and can score which is also crucial in Sarri's system

 

10 hours ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

You look at Higuain's numbers under Sarri and at Juve.  Look at Morata's number with us and with Juve, maybe Sarri can turn Morata in to Napoli's Higuain.  He's got to at least work with him first.  I'd be hesitant to splash the cash until we know what we've got on our hands.  Especially since Morata is younger and we just bought him.

If Sarri was to look at the lads iand think he could turn him into a 20+ scorer I'd be chuffed to bits no matter who it was. BUT as a gambler with 4 weeks left of silly season I wouldn't want to bet on it.

It would be a very interesting lineup having Edenp - Higuain - Morata

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1 minute ago, bluesman2610 said:

Completely agree with this I'd be upset if we let either of our strikers go for Higuain it just doesn't make sense. It feels extremely shortsighted

Now, if we were to pay a Giroud type fee, then we can talk.  But, between Giroud and Morata, I'm not sure what Higuain brings to the table.  I know it's not my money, but I'd rather the cash went to an attacking midfield player.

[DYC. 7,542]

Selling Morata and bringing in Higuain makes no sense.

Buying Higuain and moving Morata to a wide forward position though (a la Anelka) is something that could work.

Morata - Higuain - Hazard

If he manages to make that role his own and score 15+ goals in all competitions (Higuain notching 20+ and Eden hitting 15+), Chels would actuallly posses a front line that could challenge the Manc clubs for the title.

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6 hours ago, DYC. said:

Selling Morata and bringing in Higuain makes no sense.

Buying Higuain and moving Morata to a wide forward position though (a la Anelka) is something that could work.

Morata - Higuain - Hazard

If he manages to make that role his own and score 15+ goals in all competitions (Higuain notching 20+ and Eden hitting 15+), Chels would actuallly posses a front line that could challenge the Manc clubs for the title.

Thought about the same and might actually work. Morata is roaming around ound the wing most of the tine anyway. He has the pace and his technique is ok for a club that used to play Ramires as a winger🙈

can come in at times for his headers like Ronaldo used to . Will also make him more difficult to mark

It is not like chelsea to move on a club record signing after just one year and teplace him with a 30 year old  but then again it also is quit weird to shoehorn said club record signing out to the wing

Howeve the more I think of it the more it makes sense. His finishing is poor but his movement and directness might come in handy. Also we have not been linked with any wingers when we clearly need them most badly

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1 minute ago, Magic Lamps said:

Thought about the same and might actually work. Morata is roaming around ound the wing most of the tine anyway. He has the pace and his technique is ok for a club that used to play Ramires as a winger🙈

can come in at times for his headers like Ronaldo used to . Will also make him more difficult to mark

It is not like chelsea to move on a club record signing after just one year and teplace him with a 30 year old  but then again it also is quit weird to shoehorn said club record signing out to the wing

 

I dont know yet how Sarri sets his top 3 up. But as i put earlier it would be interesting to see a Eden Higuain Morata lineup. And guve Edaen and Morata the same freedom Eden and Willi had on 1st season. Let them roam where they can do most good. Makes them impossibe to double man mark too.

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55 minutes ago, Unionjack said:

I dont know yet how Sarri sets his top 3 up. But as i put earlier it would be interesting to see a Eden Higuain Morata lineup. And guve Edaen and Morata the same freedom Eden and Willi had on 1st season. Let them roam where they can do most good. Makes them impossibe to double man mark too.

No way.  If we were to mirror Napoli, Sarri has a front 3 of an inside forward (Insigne), CF (Higuain/Milik as target men, Mertens F9), classic winger (Callejon).  The left side of the pitch is full of skill (and most of the attacks went down the left), the right side full of graft.  Callejon up and down the flank, Allan as a B2B, Hysej (sp?) not getting forward nearly as much as the LB, sort of like a wide CB.

This is a pretty good write up:  

 

 

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58 minutes ago, Sideshow Luiz said:

No way.  If we were to mirror Napoli, Sarri has a front 3 of an inside forward (Insigne), CF (Higuain/Milik as target men, Mertens F9), classic winger (Callejon).  The left side of the pitch is full of skill (and most of the attacks went down the left), the right side full of graft.  Callejon up and down the flank, Allan as a B2B, Hysej (sp?) not getting forward nearly as much as the LB, sort of like a wide CB.

This is a pretty good write up:

 

Yeah Ive read several of his tactical write ups all similar.

And IF Sarri sticks with the formation he used at Napoli and tried to use our current players in their positions I can see Morata would obviously not work as a FLW.

But did Sarri use the formation that he did to make the best of the players at his disposal ie would he have altered it if he could if he had different players?

 

From all Ive read about him he is like a mathmetician. He has loads of different ways to play each move. They called him Mr 33 at Empoli because he had 33 plays written down for set pieces.

So I'm just thinking outloud whether he will after taking a good look at the players we have whether he will change his tactics accordingly or bring in players we will need to replicate his Napoli??

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Just now, Unionjack said:

Yeah Ive read several of his tactical write ups all similar.

And IF Sarri sticks with the formation he used at Napoli and tried to use our current players in their positions I can see Morata would obviously not work as a FLW.

But did Sarri use the formation that he did to make the best of the players at his disposal ie would he have altered it if he could if he had different players?

 

From all Ive read about him he is like a mathmetician. He has loads of different ways to play each move. They called him Mr 33 at Empoli because he had 33 plays written down for set pieces.

So I'm just thinking outloud whether he will after taking a good look at the players we have whether he will change his tactics accordingly or bring in players we will need to replicate his Napoli??

That's the question.  I've never really liked having strikers out wide, myself.  But, we'll see.