🇨🇴 Radamel Falcao

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

That's a 12.8m pounds investment in just one year! To put that into perspective, last season Remy cost us about half of that (6-7m) and Didier cost us just 4-5m. Remy's transfer fee over his 4-year contract length is less than that loan fee!

Only Costa and Fabregas will cost us more on next season's books. Hazard about the same. That is INSANE!

£130,000-a-week...

Actually that number, including wage is still 'acceptable' this days imo. Just remember, if he is flop, he will be gone by the end of season.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

£130,000-a-week...

Actually that number, including wage is still 'acceptable' this days imo. Just remember, if he is flop, he will be gone by the end of season.

No, it is NOT acceptable for third choice striker whom we are taking a huge risk on to be our 3rd/4th most expensive player!

[Iggy Doonican 4,186]

Time for some David Hume. We do not know how Falcao will bounce back. He had a horrible injury, was rushed back, etc, etc.

“If we take in our hand any volume; of divinity or school metaphysics, for instance; let us ask, Does it contain any abstract reasoning concerning quantity or number? No. Does it contain any experimental reasoning concerning matter of fact and existence? No. Commit it then to the flames: for it can contain nothing but sophistry and illusion.”

That is this thread. Concerning Falcao the proof of the pudding is in the eating. And it is a loaned pudding. Lionsden has a point about the consequence on youngsters though, and even much more so on Rémy imo.

We will have to taste that pudding guys. Conjecture and speculation will not get us closer to the answer. We aren't a youngster team, it seems. I hope we can be a winning one. #hopeshortermdoesntbiteusintheasseventually

A loaned pudding ha ha. I'd say Falcao is a collapsed souffle.

[didierforever 7,349]

That's a 12.8m pounds investment in just one year! To put that into perspective, last season Remy cost us about half of that (6-7m) and Didier cost us just 4-5m. Remy's transfer fee over his 4-year contract length is less than that loan fee!

Only Costa and Fabregas will cost us more on next season's books. Hazard about the same. That is INSANE!

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/16/chelsea-agree-radamel-falcao-loan-deal-monaco

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/chelsea-transfer-news-blues-take-gamble-on-radamel-falcao-but-manchester-united-misfits-wages-will-be-halved-10324742.html

no where does it say that we are paying 175kpw.

the normal rumored pay is half his salary, which is 260kpw. so 6.5mil per year.

10.5mil per year for falcao. someone who if he hits his form would be devastating. a very acceptable risk.

now if we had replaced DD with benteke/lacazette. a fee of 25mil (atleast), wages of 100-120kpw = 5-6 mil per year. in short 10-11mil per year for the 3rd striker.

hence, falcao is not costing us anything that a 3rd striker would not have cost us. moreover, he is a loan deal. he would not affect bamford's chelsea future (as much as i wanted to watch bamford in blue this season, it was never going to happen). so i think falcao makes even more sense.

[Madmax 9,219]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/16/chelsea-agree-radamel-falcao-loan-deal-monaco

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/chelsea-transfer-news-blues-take-gamble-on-radamel-falcao-but-manchester-united-misfits-wages-will-be-halved-10324742.html

no where does it say that we are paying 175kpw.

the normal rumored pay is half his salary, which is 260kpw. so 6.5mil per year.

Perhaps check the latest report?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jun/17/radamel-falcao-chelsea-manchester-united-jose-mourinho

He would be an expensive foil, even at a revised wage package nearer £170,000 a week and a £4m loan fee, but Chelsea can afford it. There is an option but no obligation to make the move permanent for £35m next summer, and they can incorporate his arrival in their budgets to comply with financial fair play and still pursue up to three more senior signings this summer.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

No, it is NOT acceptable for third choice striker whom we are taking a huge risk on to be our 3rd/4th most expensive player!

I always said he will be 3rd choice striker before, but people always told me afterwards that he will be 2nd choice. So here I'm told you he will be 2nd choice

If Remy ready to stay and compete for his place, actually our striker options is pretty much sorted.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/16/chelsea-agree-radamel-falcao-loan-deal-monaco

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/transfers/chelsea-transfer-news-blues-take-gamble-on-radamel-falcao-but-manchester-united-misfits-wages-will-be-halved-10324742.html

no where does it say that we are paying 175kpw.

the normal rumored pay is half his salary, which is 260kpw. so 6.5mil per year.

10.5mil per year for falcao. someone who if he hits his form would be devastating. a very acceptable risk.

now if we had replaced DD with benteke/lacazette. a fee of 25mil (atleast), wages of 100-120kpw = 5-6 mil per year. in short 10-11mil per year for the 3rd striker.

hence, falcao is not costing us anything that a 3rd striker would not have cost us. moreover, he is a loan deal. he would not affect bamford's chelsea future (as much as i wanted to watch bamford in blue this season, it was never going to happen). so i think falcao makes even more sense.

I was acting according to the Guardian who I would always believe before the Independent (in football, at least). Put away the Chelsea bias and try to read what you just wrote rationally.

You're going out of your way to the very extremes to try to prove this and it's not really holding up. As I said, Remy, who is our second choice striker and was amazing for us last season costs us 6-7m per year. Players like Lacazette and Benteke are much lower risks because they did not just have beyond terrible season. They are the very top of their hype and their prices are at an all time high while Facao's should be at an all time low.

Secondly neither would be realistically bought as third choice. They would not accept and we would not pay that much for a third choice striker. A third striker would ideally cost 4-5m like Didier or Ba.

My fear and what is seeming increasingly likely is that Falcao is being brought to replace Remy which would be beyond terrible and risky business.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

Perhaps check the latest report?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jun/17/radamel-falcao-chelsea-manchester-united-jose-mourinho

On the same day, independent, evening standard, express reported it's £130,000

It depends on which source you trusted of course. Or we can say everyone still guessing.

[Madmax 9,219]

On the same day, independent, evening standard, express reported it's £130,000

It depends on which source you trusted of course. Or we can say everyone still guessing.

Yes, perhaps. Out of these 4 guardian and the independent are probably the more trustworthy ones generally. Still, with 130k p/w his total FFP hit for the year comes to ~£10m, a lot of money. He better deliver.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

I always said he will be 3rd choice striker before, but people always told me afterwards that he will be 2nd choice. So here I'm told you he will be 2nd choice

If Remy ready to stay and compete for his place, actually our striker options is pretty much sorted.

You have to understand why Remy would be reluctant to stay and fight for his place. He was nothing short of a top professional last season. Always did and said the right things and on the pitch he was outstanding, yet he watched as a finished Drogba got more playing time than him.

Now, instead of putting trust in him and ensuring him more playing time next season, he sees that Jose and the club are going and making a huge investment in another big name that looks finished as well. Of course he has every right to doubt that even if he plays brilliantly and much better than Falcao he won't get the minutes he deserves because that is literally what happened to him last season with Didier (Even Jose himself admitted that). If anything his minutes will decrease solely because of Falcao's cost.

If I were him I would leave. He could go and get solid minutes and score 25-30 goals at any of Liverpool, Arsenal, Utd, Tottenham...etc.

Anyway, as I said before, there is no point arguing now that the deal looks done. I support Falcao fully and hope he surprises everyone and proves me wrong.

[petre.ispirescu 4,928]

Reading neutral reports , it sounds like he did alright.

He did ok mate, but the army of haters was in full swing once again. Really don't know why gets so much stick from some useless trolls that are about to torn their ACL everytime they touch a ball. At least you can see that the guy is trying to get back to his old form and regain his confidence.

He wasn't the best player on the pitch, but not as terrible as Firmino either. Brazil was shocking, didn't play a high line and Colombia pressed them high up the pitch. Thiago Silva, Miranda, Elias and Fernandinho sat deep for most of the game, so Falcao had to move a lot, which he did and always created spaces for the others and himself. Didn't come close to scoring, but he was in the build-up for the goal.

Cuadrado was solid, probably his best game this year.

Firmino is about to join the EPL and you won't see anything on his performance last night. Diabolical. Looked like a Sunday League footballer that was given the chance to hit some balls with his favourite players. A total stranger in a team full of pros. He couldn't even hit an empty net. Wish he'd join United to continue their average summer spending. He is just a 2nd hand player made superstar by the PR teams and the media.

[RoyalBlues 4,050]

You have to understand why Remy would be reluctant to stay and fight for his place. He was nothing short of a top professional last season. Always did and said the right things and on the pitch he was outstanding, yet he watched as a finished Drogba got more playing time than him.

Now, instead of putting trust in him and ensuring him more playing time next season, he sees that Jose and the club are going and making a huge investment in another big name that looks finished as well. Of course he has every right to doubt that even if he plays brilliantly and much better than Falcao he won't get the minutes he deserves because that is literally what happened to him last season with Didier (Even Jose himself admitted that). If anything his minutes will decrease solely because of Falcao's cost.

If I were him I would leave. He could go and get solid minutes and score 25-30 goals at any of Liverpool, Arsenal, Utd, Tottenham...etc.

Anyway, as I said before, there is no point arguing now that the deal looks done. I support Falcao fully and hope he surprises everyone and proves me wrong.

Remy could play as a winger, and Jose did play him on that position couple of times last season, and he is play well.

Who knows maybe Jose will again considering him to play as a winger next season, or in several occasions playing with 2 striker. The key is Jose ability to convince him, that we still need him in our team.

Costa hamstring condition and temperament problem, and Falcao haven't discover his old form yet. If I were Remy, I will try one more year, as these two competitors still have their own problems. If Falcao flop, he will be gone, and I will be back as a 2nd choice next year at Chelsea. If Falcao did well and Chelsea sign him permanently, I will leave next year.

[Stats 7,142]

Reading neutral reports , it sounds like he did alright.

Apart from Petre, I have not seen one person saying he did alright. I cannot see how anyone think he done good. Guitterez, Falcao's strike partner was much better. Constantly linking up play and causing problems. As BBC put in the best words, he was a peripheral figure for majority of the game.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33085574

[didierforever 7,349]

I was acting according to the Guardian who I would always believe before the Independent (in football, at least). Put away the Chelsea bias and try to read what you just wrote rationally.

You're going out of your way to the very extremes to try to prove this and it's not really holding up. As I said, Remy, who is our second choice striker and was amazing for us last season costs us 6-7m per year. Players like Lacazette and Benteke are much lower risks because they did not just have beyond terrible season. They are the very top of their hype and their prices are at an all time high while Facao's should be at an all time low.

Secondly neither would be realistically bought as third choice. They would not accept and we would not pay that much for a third choice striker. A third striker would ideally cost 4-5m like Didier or Ba.

My fear and what is seeming increasingly likely is that Falcao is being brought to replace Remy which would be beyond terrible and risky business.

its not just guardian. a lot of sources have said that we will be paying half of his wages, and it makes sense. united paid 7mil for the fee, we are paying 4mil, MAKES SENSE.

we play 4 competitions, we will be looking to win 4 competitions, last season, when costa was out, we looked downright poor at times. i am trying to look at it objectively. jose knows what he did last season, how tired our players looked in jan and feb itself. he would not want to make the same mistake again. even in the post season friendly, jose played remy as a RW rather than a striker, which seems fair enough to me. he will be our versatile player, can fit in whereever needed. so no, i dont think falcao has been brought to replace remy. and yes, i definitely think that we did not need a drogba like 3rd striker. we needed someone far more competitive. someone who can push costa to the perform better, falcao will do that. people think that just cos he had one poor season and just cos we had the similar thing we torres, they will go exactly the same. bullshit!!!! try being a little objective here.

[didierforever 7,349]

Perhaps check the latest report?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jun/17/radamel-falcao-chelsea-manchester-united-jose-mourinho

fair enough. love the heading though

Radamel Falcao looks less of a gamble for Chelsea the more you look at it

[Belgiannutt 3,201]

According to the guardian -

£4m loan fee

£170,000 a week wages

£35m option to buy

[chrismada9 1,948]

According to the guardian -

£170,000 a week wages

[CHOULO19 24,332]

its not just guardian. a lot of sources have said that we will be paying half of his wages, and it makes sense. united paid 7mil for the fee, we are paying 4mil, MAKES SENSE.

we play 4 competitions, we will be looking to win 4 competitions, last season, when costa was out, we looked downright poor at times. i am trying to look at it objectively. jose knows what he did last season, how tired our players looked in jan and feb itself. he would not want to make the same mistake again. even in the post season friendly, jose played remy as a RW rather than a striker, which seems fair enough to me. he will be our versatile player, can fit in whereever needed. so no, i dont think falcao has been brought to replace remy. and yes, i definitely think that we did not need a drogba like 3rd striker. we needed someone far more competitive. someone who can push costa to the perform better, falcao will do that. people think that just cos he had one poor season and just cos we had the similar thing we torres, they will go exactly the same. bullshit!!!! try being a little objective here.

So the biggest flop in the league last season who had been hibernating in France the year before and who had an injury that has practically ended the careers of many footballers is "more competitive" and can "push Costa" more than Remy who was probably the best back up striker in Europe last season? And you're asking ME to be objective?!

Yes, it is completely normal to assume that someone who just had a beyond terrible season will more likely have a season closer to that one than the excellent season he had 3 years ago. I acknowledge that he could have a season similar to the one he had 3 years ago, but that is not as likely as having a bad season like the one he just had. THAT is a much better assumption than the baseless one that he will get to his top form automatically.

[didierforever 7,349]

So the biggest flop in the league last season who had been hibernating in France the year before and who had an injury that has practically ended the careers of many footballers is "more competitive" and can "push Costa" more than Remy who was probably the best back up striker in Europe last season? And you're asking ME to be objective?!

Yes, it is completely normal to assume that someone who just had a beyond terrible season will more likely have a season closer to that one than the excellent season he had 3 years ago. I acknowledge that he could have a season similar to the one he had 3 years ago, but that is not as likely as having a bad season like the one he just had. THAT is a much better assumption than the baseless one that he will get to his top form automatically.

thats right, remy was the bestest back up striker in the whole of the universe. i mean he scored a whole of 7 goals and our manager trusted him so much that he chose a 37 year old DD before remy. i like remy, i want him to be here for the next season, but he is nowhere near costa or falcao.

hibernating in france? you mean in the team that went beyond us in CL last season, scoring 13 goals in 22 games? i mean i guess, rvp was awesome when he almost single handedly won united their 20th league title, so all assumptions mean that he will be even better next season, right? thank god, real life and our manager's mind does not work in such a linear fashion. he can actually see that form can be gained back and that the class is still there.

[lucio 5,418]

Apart from Petre, I have not seen one person saying he did alright. I cannot see how anyone think he done good. Guitterez, Falcao's strike partner was much better. Constantly linking up play and causing problems. As BBC put in the best words, he was a peripheral figure for majority of the game.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33085574

I looked at the goal player ratings . Said he workedhard to find space and get involved . but i didn't watch it so , nothing i can say