Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 it does...One big thing you forget is that Barca is NIKE...Neymar is going to be the next face of NIKE. What Nike wants, barca will do. Meaning neymar will take all fks, pks, be the center eventually for barca...Messi cannot score as many goals as neymar on the wings, but I bet neymar could do the same given his position in the middle and the freedom messi has... Doesnt mean neymar better, but the goalscoring ability of neymar is easily possible to beat the record and the fact that neymar is a diving douche as well.OkA, No it doesn't. Assumptions are the brother of all fuck ups conjured out of thin air to create some sort of strength or benefit to you're own irrational thinking without actually providing any evidence. B. Messi won't leave Barca for Newell's until his mid thirties according to Heinze, so that's another 7 years of football at top level. C. Will Neymar be able to adapt to his game as Messi Did? From being a winger, to a false 9, and now to an even deeper role and still funcuate with class? I want evidence not assumptions you continue to spew out. And finally, D. ..Messi cannot score as many goals as neymar on the wings,Neymar can score more than Messi on the Wing? You honestly need to stop typing. The years Messi played on the wing, 2008-2009 season and 2009-2010 season he has scored 38 goals and 47 goals in those seasons. A team where it had Eto'o, Henry, Gudjohnsen, and Ibra who at the time were all three used as 'target' men or the main focal point. To make such a claim considering Neymar has yet to even reach 20 goals in beyond laughable. Your 'claim' of Messi being the main focal point didn't apply then considering Messi was forced wide to accommodate those strikers. Even today Messi is now playing at a deeper role than before so this would make it easier for Neymar to now score goals with Messi supplying him? The only proof you have of Neymar ever reaching those numbers, is your opinion and nothing more, and I will say that he won't by actual evidence. It is highly unlikely that anyone in our generation will reach Messi's goal scoring records. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 OkA, No it doesn't. Assumptions are the brother of all fuck ups conjured out of thin air to create some sort of strength or benefit to you're own irrational thinking without actually providing any evidence. B. Messi won't leave Barca for Newell's until his mid thirties according to Heinze, so that's another 7 years of football at top level. C. Will Neymar be able to adapt to his game as Messi Did? From being a winger, to a false 9, and now to an even deeper role and still funcuate with class? I want evidence not assumptions you continue to spew out. And finally, D. Neymar can score more than Messi on the Wing? You honestly need to stop typing. The years Messi played on the wing, 2008-2009 season and 2009-2010 season he has scored 38 goals and 47 goals in those seasons right. A team where it had Eto'o, Henry, Gudjohnsen, and Ibra who at the time were all three used as 'target' men or the main focal point. To make such a claim considering Neymar has yet to even reach 20 goals in beyond laughable. Your 'claim' of Messi being the main focal point didn't apply then considering Messi was forced wide to accommodate those strikers. Even today Messi is now playing at a deeper role than before so this would make it easier for Neymar to now score goals with Messi supplying him? The only proof you have of Neymar ever reaching those numbers, is your opinion and nothing more, and I will say that he won't by actual evidence. It is highly unlikely that anyone in our generation will reach Messi's goal scoring records. So, you definitely didnt watch barca, because messi rarely played on the wings and shafted zlatan during those years......MEssi didnt have to accommodate anyone, everyone had to accomdodate messi... (HENRY, Zlatan, and even Villa)Messi hasnt had to accomodate anyone since Ronaldinho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 So, you definitely didnt watch barca, because messi rarely played on the wings and shaft zlatan during those years......MEssi didnt have to accommodate anyone, everyone had to accomdodate messi... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 lol. Messi was going to leave barca years prior, but didnt....I highly doubt Messi will stay at barca for another 7 years....Also, the point was goalscoring, not being a better player... Neymar has everything to beat both cr7/messi. You say Messi had to accommodate everyone, but in reality he didnt... The offense still revolved around Messi and even in argentina, it was aguero that had to accomodate Messi, which is exactly why aguero sucked balls in the world cup and the exact reason why Tevez is not getting called up for Argentina.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 C. Will Neymar be able to adapt to his game as Messi Did? From being a winger, to a false 9, and now to an even deeper role and still funcuate with class? I want evidence not assumptions you continue to spew out. Your 'claim' of Messi being the main focal point didn't apply then considering Messi was forced wide to accommodate those strikers. Even today Messi is now playing at a deeper role than before so this would make it easier for Neymar to now score goals with Messi supplying him? The only proof you have of Neymar ever reaching those numbers, is your opinion and nothing more, and I will say that he won't by actual evidence. It is highly unlikely that anyone in our generation will reach Messi's goal scoring records. I don't think Neymar can be as effective as Messi in a false 9 role. I was not particularly impressed with the times I've seen him play more centrally. Perhaps that could change in the future given enough time for Ney to develop and grow into the role but that's not a certainty by any means, agreed. Even though Messi is an exceptional playmaker and is assisting Neymar a lot, Messi had prime Xavi and Iniesta to feed him whereas Neymar has the aged versions that get overrun in midfield against tougher sides and a not at the top of his game Messi - and even at his top form he's not as good of a playmaker as Xavi and Iniesta once were - so I don't think this is exactly fair. If Neymar can beat their numbers is yet to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I don't think Neymar can be as effective as Messi in a false 9 role. I was not particularly impressed with the times I've seen him play more centrally. Perhaps that could change in the future given enough time for Ney to develop and grow into the role but that's not a certainty by any means, agreed. Even though Messi is an exceptional playmaker and is assisting Neymar a lot, Messi had prime Xavi and Iniesta to feed him whereas Neymar has the aged versions that get overrun in midfield against tougher sides and a not at the top of his game Messi - and even at his top form he's not as good of a playmaker as Xavi and Iniesta once were - so I don't think this is exactly fair. If Neymar can beat their numbers is yet to be seen.Messi has assisted more goals in the past 5 years than Xavi and Iniesta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dion 2,476 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Messi has assisted more goals in the past 5 years than Xavi and Iniesta Which is sort of expected given his role on the team and the declining of both Xavi and Iniesta. Even then I remember Iniesta had some really exceptional number of assists once or twice in the last 5 years. Xavi's impact was more about controlling the tempo and setting the conditions for attacking, not the assists per say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 So ivan, cesc and hazard over carvalaj, modric and james?K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 So ivan, cesc and hazard over carvalaj, modric and james?KStarting XI of Madrid+Chelsea according to Nike. ThiagoLahm Thiago Thiago ThaigoThiago ThiagoThiago Thiago NeymarMessi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabHazard 655 Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 messi at his peak is a level above anyone..no one can come close to that....that being said right now cr7 is in better form than messi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXL18LBBQzQK... Hazard would definitely start over James or we can just rewatch the world cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedsBlue 1,549 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Hazard is one of the most unselfish players. If he had the license to shoot whenever he wanted like a few other players then I am certain he would score more. He's one of the coolest dribblers and always plays for the team. For me he'll always be above any other player and I am confident that he'll be a serious contender for the Ballon d'or in a few years time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo 21,751 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXL18LBBQzQK... Hazard would definitely start over James or we can just rewatch the world cup. The grass is always greener for you, if James and Hazard swapped clubs you would instantly change opinion.You probably rate Adebayor higher than Costa purely because of the fact the Togo player isn't wearing a Chelsea shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Hazard wouldn't start over James and yet wasn't it Zidane who said Real would take him 'with closed eyes'? And this was several years ago too, so if you think Hazard has actually regressed in that timeframe ... you're a special snowflake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 The grass is always greener for you, if James and Hazard swapped clubs you would instantly change opinion.You probably rate Adebayor higher than Costa purely because of the fact the Togo player isn't wearing a Chelsea shirt.close.I rated adebayor the same level I rate Lukaku.However, before James went to madrid, i was always high on James (not the whole after the world cup like most fans). James, would be the better player with cr7 and bale than hazard would be. Just like how invisible hazard looks with belgium, hazard would look invisible with bale/cr7... James is a better version of Oscar without the superb tactical awareness... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Hazard wouldn't start over James and yet wasn't it Zidane who said Real would take him 'with closed eyes'? And this was several years ago too, so if you think Hazard has actually regressed in that timeframe ... you're a special snowflake.Zidane also said something similar to gourcoff and look how great he became... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bir_CFC 3,455 Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 close.I rated adebayor the same level I rate Lukaku.However, before James went to madrid, i was always high on James (not the whole after the world cup like most fans). James, would be the better player with cr7 and bale than hazard would be. Just like how invisible hazard looks with belgium, hazard would look invisible with bale/cr7... James is a better version of Oscar without the superb tactical awareness...I think if the CAM is being flanked by Ronaldo and Bale, I too would prefer James instead of Hazard simply because you want your CAM in that situation to be playing passes and through balls exclusively instead of dribbling to destabilize opponents. That said, if we're just talking about the players then I think Hazard is a better player than James. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I think if the CAM is being flanked by Ronaldo and Bale, I too would prefer James instead of Hazard simply because you want your CAM in that situation to be playing passes and through balls exclusively instead of dribbling to destabilize opponents. That said, if we're just talking about the players then I think Hazard is a better player than James.Hazard is one of the best dribblers in the world.However, unless RM was centered thru Hazard, it would be James all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Hazard is one of the best dribblers in the world.However, unless RM was centered thru Hazard, it would be James all day.Do you read? That's exactly what he said lol. James is better for Madrid, but Hazard is the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChelseaFC12 134 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 CourtoisAzpi-Terry-Ramos-LuisMatic-ModricBale-Hazard-RonaldoCosta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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