🇭🇷 Mario Pašalić

[the wes 7,212]

On 13/11/2019 at 7:59 PM, Vesper said:

 

IF we sold Azpi in the summer, I would love to work out a swap plus cash for their RB, Timothy Castagne, toss them Pasalic plus 15m euros (13m quid) for him that is 30m euros worth of player and cash, for Castagne (26m quid) which is more than fair.

An Azpi sale would basically cover it all (this coming summer is our last chance to get over £20m for him)

 

We need a left back more than we need a right back atm Alonso needs to go big time 

[Vesper 31,112]

1 hour ago, the wes said:

We need a left back more than we need a right back atm Alonso needs to go big time 

I know, I have always stated that LB is one of, if not the first and most pressing needs (hello Chilwell!) and onbviously it is THE summer to finaly get rid of Alonso

I was just further fleshing out other options after my big 4 concern areas

1    A LB (I am truly in the Chilwell or bust camp, after him (if we disastrously fail) maybe we can see if Malang Sarr might work, he would be a big upgrade too, in terms of size, pace, raw athleticism)

2     A  RW (Pedro is leaving for sure, and quite possibly Willian)

3     A CF (Werner at that crazy low £25m release clause is a must attempt, what a weapon he would be (and can play either wing as well, of can play in a top 2 CF/SS system as well

4    A CB (if we, as we REALLY should) sell one (AC is who I see going, I do not see Lamps letting zuma go, and IF he keeps improving like he has, he si completely winning me over, ironically right after I snapped an did a stupid (doh) he must go post, for which I feel like an idiot over) and go for truly WC upgrade (Romagnoli or my favourite Konate at the top of my list)

 

Doing that cash plus Pasalic action for Castagne kills two birds with one stone and allows us to cash in on Azpi (this summer is it in terms of anywhere near a fair amount of cash we can get for him)  It is a TINY outlay as well (and turns cash positive by around 15m or so depending on what we get for Azpi, plus a lot less in salary outlays as well).

I do not expect it to happen, but I would be remiss if I did not post it, as it would be a smart move (Castagne is big (1.85m so less than an inch shorter than even Alonso, granted he is a RB, not an LB, but can help replace Alonso on set pieces when they both play as Chilwell is only 1.78m), young (23, turns 24 on December 5th so 6 or so prime years left) pacey and would be a perfect backup/rotational player for Reece, plus can play wingback and also fill in at MF and CB

He has been very impressive in the Atalanta games I have seen him in, and he is a tireless runner (like Azpi used to be and still is at times, albeit on far fewer occasions than when he was younger)

[the wes 7,212]

Scored a brace today 

[Jase 43,479]

 

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

33 minutes ago, Jason said:

 

He's worth much more than 15m at the moment. But fee is already agreed. 

[LAM09 7,093]

 

Hope there's a clause at the very least. He could definitely get into our team and it's been that way for some time.

[Jase 43,479]

15 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

2 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Hope there's a clause at the very least. He could definitely get into our team and it's been that way for some time.

[nyikolajevics 2,836]

20 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

2 hours ago, Jason said:

 

Hope there's a clause at the very least. He could definitely get into our team and it's been that way for some time.

 

Do you think so? We have Jorginho, Kante, Kova, Mount, RLC in our squad right now(let's not mention Barkley) Gilmour and Gallagher(and maybe Ampadu) stand by. Pasalic is 25, good player but can't see him making into the starting 11.

[LAM09 7,093]

 
Do you think so? We have Jorginho, Kante, Kova, Mount, RLC in our squad right now(let's not mention Barkley) Gilmour and Gallagher(and maybe Ampadu) stand by. Pasalic is 25, good player but can't see him making into the starting 11.

We lack goals from midfield when RLC ain't in it. To think Kante probably leads that stat from the start of last reason is beyond damning.

Options that differ from what's already available isn't a bad thing.

[communicate 2,703]

3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

We lack goals from midfield when RLC ain't in it. To think Kante probably leads that stat from the start of last reason is beyond damning.

Options that differ from what's already available isn't a bad thing.

You pretty much has answered why we don't need goals from midfield. We have kante and RLC. Plus we have Mount as am. You can't have have everyone scoring goals. 

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5 hours ago, LAM09 said:

We lack goals from midfield when RLC ain't in it. To think Kante probably leads that stat from the start of last reason is beyond damning.

Options that differ from what's already available isn't a bad thing.

Gallagher, RLC, Kante, Mount. We have decent goals from the mid. I honestly think the thing we need the most, is a good 2nd striker and some goals from RW too. I mean we can see how good reece's final ball is. Add someone like Chilwell too, and our front 3 and mid will get a lot of chances, its about finishing those. 

[LAM09 7,093]

You pretty much has answered why we don't need goals from midfield. We have kante and RLC. Plus we have Mount as am. You can't have have everyone scoring goals. 

RLC is back in Feb if we're lucky and have no idea what condition he'll be in.

 

As it stands, we don't have a regular source of goals similar to the Ballack, Essien & Lampard days.

 

Gallagher, RLC, Kante, Mount. We have decent goals from the mid. I honestly think the thing we need the most, is a good 2nd striker and some goals from RW too. I mean we can see how good reece's final ball is. Add someone like Chilwell too, and our front 3 and mid will get a lot of chances, its about finishing those. 

 

We haven't exactly been lacking in the chances department but still lack that clinical touch from last year.

 

I do agree with the point that the squad doesn't need massive chances right now aside from the addition of one or two players that are a class above the current crop.

[Vesper 31,112]

16 hours ago, nyikolajevics said:

 

Do you think so? We have Jorginho, Kante, Kova, Mount, RLC in our squad right now(let's not mention Barkley) Gilmour and Gallagher(and maybe Ampadu) stand by. Pasalic is 25, good player but can't see him making into the starting 11.

Atalanta to take up option on Chelsea loanee Mario Pašalić — report

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/chelsea-fc-transfer-rumours-news/2019/12/2/20992467/atalanta-to-take-up-option-on-chelsea-loanee-mario-pasalic-report

Last season, Chelsea loanee Mario Pašalić helped Atalanta to a club record third place finish in the Serie A, which meant that the Bergamo-based club also qualified for the Champions League for the first time in their history. Given that windfall of UEFA money, Atalanta were fully expected to take up their €15m buy-option on the key midfielder.

Instead, they managed to work out yet another loan with Chelsea, getting the player back for a much smaller investment. It’s like we’re running a charity over here.

However, Chelsea did extend Pašalić for three more seasons before signing off on the loan, and that is bound to ensure that we eventually collect a fee for the 24-year-old.

And sure enough, given Pašalić’s continued importance at Atalanta, who are once again pushing for a top-four finish while also keeping hope alive of reaching the Champions League knockout rounds, reports are once again popping up of them exercising their buy-option. Here’s one from Tuttosport (via Football Italia), who claim this will only happen at the end of the season, which would make sense.

Maybe this time they’ll actually do it for real?

 

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he has scored quite a few goals (for a CMF) for them (look at the total minutes) in the last 2 seasons (and was not a full-timer at all until this year)

12 goals, 8 assists in 3355 minutes, all comps

 

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3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

RLC is back in Feb if we're lucky and have no idea what condition he'll be in.

 

As it stands, we don't have a regular source of goals similar to the Ballack, Essien & Lampard days.

 

 

 

We haven't exactly been lacking in the chances department but still lack that clinical touch from last year.

 

I do agree with the point that the squad doesn't need massive chances right now aside from the addition of one or two players that are a class above the current crop.

Lampard was a goal getter, essien does not really score. Ballack score a bit especially when he is asked to play higher. 

RLC won't really back this season but that doesn't justify the need to buy another scoring midfield unless you want to say good bye Mount. That is whole another story

 

[LAM09 7,093]

Lampard was a goal getter, essien does not really score. Ballack score a bit especially when he is asked to play higher. 
RLC won't really back this season but that doesn't justify the need to buy another scoring midfield unless you want to say good bye Mount. That is whole another story
 

Where did I mention anything about buying someone?

I just made a point Pasalic ought to be here & could offer something different.

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6 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Where did I mention anything about buying someone?

I just made a point Pasalic ought to be here & could offer something different.


 

My fault but it is the same thing. Let say we sell Barkley and keep pasalic 

We have 

Pasalic, Jorgi, rlc, kova, Kante, Mount and we need one more dm. That is 7 players for 3 positions way too many. Plus we want to give player like Gilmour and anjorin chance to play. 

[LAM09 7,093]

My fault but it is the same thing. Let say we sell Barkley and keep pasalic  We have 

Pasalic, Jorgi, rlc, kova, Kante, Mount and we need one more dm. That is 7 players for 3 positions way too many. Plus we want to give player like Gilmour and anjorin chance to play. 

 

If I'm being honest, I don't expect Kante to be here next season and I'm on the fence with RLC/Mount. 

 

 

On a side note, Ampadu would probably be that DM option.

[NikkiCFC 8,516]

3 hours ago, LAM09 said:

If I'm being honest, I don't expect Kante to be here next season 

Why? 

[LAM09 7,093]

Why? 

Him having bigger ambitions as he reaches his prime and a solid Euros could push that narrative even more.

£100-125m isn't something we could just turn a blind eye at.

[Vesper 31,112]

8 minutes ago, LAM09 said:

Him having bigger ambitions as he reaches his prime and a solid Euros could push that narrative even more.

£100-125m isn't something we could just turn a blind eye at.

reaches his prime?

he turns 30 next season

he is in his prime now, and has 2 more prime years left after this season, maybe 3 max (and I say that is maybe, maybe a wee stretch, especially for the EPL and the type of action action player he is)

he is a small guy, has been pounded on for years, and at 32 (in the 3rd year from above) is going to be susceptible to injuries even more than he is showing now

lets look at WC older MFers

Modric (a different type of player) had his peak at the WC (when he was 32), and has rapidly declined since

David Silva is also rapidly dropping from when he was 32 (33 now) Look at his play this year versus last (and he is a different type of MFer too)

Blaise Matuidi's has been steady downhill from since he turned 32

Busquets is a shadow of what he once was, has been since he he was 30 (the second half of last season is when his decline started, he is 31 now) I am actually surprised by him, out of all these by far

Ivan Rakitic has been in decline since he hit 31, give him another year and he is truly done as a full time player on a top team like Barca

Radja Nainggolan hit 30 and its been downhill rapidly since (he is a smoker though)

Mata is 31 and looks like a shadow

 

defensive oriented MFers?

the only decent one left over 30 (Matic hit 30 as is done as a starter for a class club, he barely gets a sniff at Manure, ffs, who plays the simply dreadful Fred (worst ever £50m plus MF) as a full starter, although he has been injured, which starts to happen more often for so many players when you are 31, 32)

is the genetic freak, Fernandinho

he is literally the only one over 30 who is remotely still class, maybe, maybe the just turned 31yo  Javi Martínez (who would be eaten up here in the EPL, he is shielded a lot at Bayern and is hardly a super key player there)

 

I am NOT saying to sell Kante (unless a £125m or more offer came in) but we do need to start looking (starting for sure in 2021) for his eventual replacement (I cannot recco Camavinga enough for so many reasons)

even if we 3 more peak years out of him, if we waited til summer 2022 to do anything you literally have only one year of integration, which is probably how (knowing our board) it is probably going to go anyway, hell they may wait will summer 2023