Willian

[Atomiswave 6,117]

3 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

But who do we replace him with? And what if we are not able to get our options? We have to look at it from the board's and Frank's perspective. Willian is a solid player, performs decently well, gives his all for the team.

His replacements are sancho - coveted by city, United, pool, maybe psg if they lose mbappe. These are clubs, that we sadly can't hold our own against financially. Not anymore. Him being best friends with Tammy and cho is not going to help us here.

Other than Sancho, who is a direct upgrade over willian? Keep in mind, that we already have a young and untested winger in CHO in the squad, the last thing we need is someone that we bring in for a lot of money but who needs the time to bed in too. So in terms of experience - zaha? Ziyech?

At the end of the day willian might actually be the best option to keep for a year or 2. Let Cho, fulfil his potential, and then we can sell/let go off willy and buy whoever we want to. 

The more I think about it, the more I feel, letting him go, is not an option atleast currently. 

The offers came way before Lamps was even a manager. There are plenty options out there, it depends if you are willing to pay up and if we deem them good enough. Yes Puli and Cho aint enough but not selling Willy for 55m plus is not astute business imo. And since those offers till now what has Willy done? Sure he has been decent in recent games but not enough to warrant keeping when you have good offers on the table and hitting 30 plus years.

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7 hours ago, Atomiswave said:

The offers came way before Lamps was even a manager. There are plenty options out there, it depends if you are willing to pay up and if we deem them good enough. Yes Puli and Cho aint enough but not selling Willy for 55m plus is not astute business imo. And since those offers till now what has Willy done? Sure he has been decent in recent games but not enough to warrant keeping when you have good offers on the table and hitting 30 plus years.

The offers might have been there, but they were pointless if the then manager(s) did not want to sell him. Also, those 50m + money would be useful to the board if they felt it would be useful. If we get that fee for willian and have to spend more on a player not as good, then it is a moot issue.

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8 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

The offers might have been there, but they were pointless if the then manager(s) did not want to sell him. Also, those 50m + money would be useful to the board if they felt it would be useful. If we get that fee for willian and have to spend more on a player not as good, then it is a moot issue.

Ohh I get that........its a very specicalized business buying and selling players. Thats why you need experieced folks behind it.

[Tomo 21,751]

21 hours ago, Vesper said:

It is Pedro (our other RWer who is surely gone) IF Willian leaves as well we need to buy 2 wingers

Do we? It could end up with an unhappy player. 3 players for 2 positions gives us enough scope to rotate and distributing minutes, 4 will likely leave one unhappy with little minutes like what's currently happening to Pedro. 

If we can find a fourth winger who comes in, happily knows his place, can contribute to a solid level and is content with just filling in whenever (like a winger version of Huth being 4th choice behind JT, Gallas and Ricky) then by all means go for it but i feel having 4 wingers all wanting significant minutes is asking for unrest.

Loftus and Mason may not be naturals there but can play there to a decent level in emergency's, especially the former, if we can sign a striker who can play on the wings (like Morelos) that will give us enough cover incase two go down at the same time.

[1905didierblue 748]

18 minutes ago, Tomo said:

Do we? It could end up with an unhappy player. 3 players for 2 positions gives us enough scope to rotate and distribute minutes, 4 will likely leave one unhappy with little minutes like what's currently happening to Pedro. 

If we can find a fourth winger who comes in, happily knows his place, can contribute to a solid level and is content with just filling in whenever (like a winger version of Huth being 4th choice behind JT, Gallas and Ricky) then by all means go for it but i feel having 4 wingers all wanting significant minutes is asking for unrest.

Loftus and Mason may not be naturals there but can play there to a decent level in emergency's, especially the former, if we can sign a striker who can play on the wings (like Morelos) that will give us enough cover incase two go down at the same time.

Totally agree with us. 3 players for 2 winger spots should be a good healthy competition. Have always felt that the 4th spot should go to a youth player (maybe anjorin?). 

Similarly for cms too. Kante, jorginho, kova for 2 spots with gilmour/Gallagher filling in. 

[Jase 43,479]

Regarding the 4 wingers issue, it's worth remembering that Pulisic will take up a non-HG spot from next season onward. So we need to be mindful when deciding on the squad for 2020/21. 

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27 minutes ago, Jason said:

Regarding the 4 wingers issue, it's worth remembering that Pulisic will take up a non-HG spot from next season onward. So we need to be mindful when deciding on the squad for 2020/21. 

Worst case scenario we will have Reece, tomori, mount, RLC, Cho, Tammy in the squad.

We have the 3rd gk, 4th CB (Andreas?), Lb, 6th cm (gilmour), 7th cm (Barkley) and 3rd St positions to fill with 2 HG spots. Think it will be quite easy to do so even if we keep Willy and buy a non hg winger (not that I want to). 

[Jase 43,479]

2 minutes ago, 1905didierblue said:

Worst case scenario we will have Reece, tomori, mount, RLC, Cho, Tammy in the squad.

We have the 3rd gk, 4th CB (Andreas?), Lb, 6th cm (gilmour), 7th cm (Barkley) and 3rd St positions to fill with 2 HG spots. Think it will be quite easy to do so even if we keep Willy and buy a non hg winger (not that I want to). 

It's not compulsory to fill up the 8 HG spots, if that is what you're getting at. 

[the wes 7,212]

Mourinho will be licking his lips knowing willian is stalling a new contract willian will probably be one of mourinho transfer targets

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

10 hours ago, Tomo said:

Do we? It could end up with an unhappy player. 3 players for 2 positions gives us enough scope to rotate and distributing minutes, 4 will likely leave one unhappy with little minutes like what's currently happening to Pedro. 

9 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Totally agree with us. 3 players for 2 winger spots should be a good healthy competition. Have always felt that the 4th spot should go to a youth player (maybe anjorin?). 

 

 

Meanwhile in Madrid: Hazard, Bale, Vasquez, Asensio, Diaz, Vinicius, Rodrygo plus Isco and James.

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2 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Meanwhile in Madrid: Hazard, Bale, Vasquez, Asensio, Diaz, Vinicius, Rodrygo plus Isco and James.

Isco and James are as much wingers as mount and RLC are. Bale had almost got his move to china before asensio's horror injury, plus bale just proves a point - you won't keep everyone happy.

[NikkiCFC 8,300]

5 hours ago, 1905didierblue said:

Isco and James are as much wingers as mount and RLC are. Bale had almost got his move to china before asensio's horror injury, plus bale just proves a point - you won't keep everyone happy.

I'm not saying we should have 7 wingers like Real I was just making interesting example. I'm fine with Pedro and Giroud leaving in January without replacement. 

[Vesper 30,118]

21 hours ago, Tomo said:

Do we? It could end up with an unhappy player. 3 players for 2 positions gives us enough scope to rotate and distributing minutes, 4 will likely leave one unhappy with little minutes like what's currently happening to Pedro. 

If we can find a fourth winger who comes in, happily knows his place, can contribute to a solid level and is content with just filling in whenever (like a winger version of Huth being 4th choice behind JT, Gallas and Ricky) then by all means go for it but i feel having 4 wingers all wanting significant minutes is asking for unrest.

Loftus and Mason may not be naturals there but can play there to a decent level in emergency's, especially the former, if we can sign a striker who can play on the wings (like Morelos) that will give us enough cover incase two go down at the same time.

so if Willian does stay, you are content to roll into next season with him, CHO, and Pulisic as our wingers? so if Willian stays, chalk off any Sancho, etc attempts

same for striker (where I am less concered about a third striker for sure) BUT if we do NOT sell Bats, that means we only have him and Tammy, and odds are high we DO NOT get Werner at that insane low £25m price

We are overloaded at AMF (especially when RLC gets back) so no buying there

I see many who say we do NOT need to buy a CB at all, even if he sell AC (as many say Guehi is good enough)

also many say do not sell Azpi at RB, so no buy there

this leaves LB (and if we miss out on Chilwell, and say (as many on here apparently want to) a hard pass on Alex Telles, that leaves my new suggestion (and this is ONLY if he has a full year of great play as he is new to LB) of Malang Sarr. Gaya has a 100m euro release clause so that is a no go and I will be damned if I accept many saying Alex Telles is not good enough simply becuase he has been in Liga NOS till 26, BUT THEN be told that Grimaldo (the same thing in terms of a Liga NOS player, just 2 and a half years younger but 10 cms shorter and slower and simply not as good in my book) is a perfect buy or bust, and the sense I get from an overall averge is that other than him (and maybe the 

we could be truly arsed at LB if we miss out on Chilwell

a backup GK is needed, but we can grab something decent for cheap (or may roll with a 39yo Wille

 that leaves only DMF/CMF

I have seen many say we do not need anyone there

or to wait as the club will buy (blahhhh) Declan Rice or some say use Ampadu there. Rive is going to be insanely overpriced and we can get a far better (IMHO) player in Camavinga for 40m or so less, but again, I see zero ties to him from us

so it is basically all down to Chilwell and if we fail on him, and the board (which is more than likely going to be the case) ignores Telles and Sarr and keeps Alonso

we are rolling into next year with quite possible almost the exact same team, minus Giroud and Pedro

I think that is just asking for trouble, especially if we do not get Chillwell and those other two LB options are ignore and either nothing is done there or we buy middling dregs

that said, I can so see it happening

I have seen some info and talked to some people and I am actually far more pessimistic that we will spend much at all, unless a gift horse is pushed into out faces (surely we MUST at least attempt to grab Werner at that cut rate price)

I think the club is in financial expenditure contraction mode and that it is gong to be run far more in terms at looking at extracting steady profits regardless of what is going on in terms of results (as long as we are competitive for a top 4 or even a top 7 finish)

I hope I am wrong, but I am far less hopeful of this that I was just a few weeks back.

the more I think about it, the less I think we make a move for Sancho, not at the price he will end up going for

I just hope that it does not go so far as to mandate we tell Leicester to fuck off if/when they demand 70m quid or so for Chillwell

[Vesper 30,118]

Real Madrid 'turn down Willian move'

By Matt Law

 

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/chelsea/transfer-talk/news/real-madrid-turn-down-willian-move_380226.html

 

Real Madrid have reportedly turned down the chance to sign Chelsea attacker Willian on a free transfer.

The Blues are allegedly in negotiations with the Brazil international over a new deal, but as it stands, the 31-year-old will be out of contract at the end of the 2019-20 campaign.

Willian would be free to agree a pre-contract with a foreign club at the start of 2020 if he failed to sign an extension with Chelsea, and Barcelona have been strongly linked with a swoop.

According to Defensa Central, the South American has also been offered to Madrid, but Zinedine Zidane's side signalled that they would not be interested in signing him on a free transfer.

The report claims that Los Blancos are not in the market for a new wide attacker due to the presence of Brazilian youngsters Vinicius Junior and Rodrygo Goes.

Willian has contributed three goals and three assists in 15 appearances for Frank Lampard's side this season.

 

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[1905didierblue 748]

6 hours ago, Vesper said:

so if Willian does stay, you are content to roll into next season with him, CHO, and Pulisic as our wingers? so if Willian stays, chalk off any Sancho, etc attempts

same for striker (where I am less concered about a third striker for sure) BUT if we do NOT sell Bats, that means we only have him and Tammy, and odds are high we DO NOT get Werner at that insane low £25m price

We are overloaded at AMF (especially when RLC gets back) so no buying there

I see many who say we do NOT need to buy a CB at all, even if he sell AC (as many say Guehi is good enough)

also many say do not sell Azpi at RB, so no buy there

this leaves LB (and if we miss out on Chilwell, and say (as many on here apparently want to) a hard pass on Alex Telles, that leaves my new suggestion (and this is ONLY if he has a full year of great play as he is new to LB) of Malang Sarr. Gaya has a 100m euro release clause so that is a no go and I will be damned if I accept many saying Alex Telles is not good enough simply becuase he has been in Liga NOS till 26, BUT THEN be told that Grimaldo (the same thing in terms of a Liga NOS player, just 2 and a half years younger but 10 cms shorter and slower and simply not as good in my book) is a perfect buy or bust, and the sense I get from an overall averge is that other than him (and maybe the 

we could be truly arsed at LB if we miss out on Chilwell

a backup GK is needed, but we can grab something decent for cheap (or may roll with a 39yo Wille

 that leaves only DMF/CMF

I have seen many say we do not need anyone there

or to wait as the club will buy (blahhhh) Declan Rice or some say use Ampadu there. Rive is going to be insanely overpriced and we can get a far better (IMHO) player in Camavinga for 40m or so less, but again, I see zero ties to him from us

so it is basically all down to Chilwell and if we fail on him, and the board (which is more than likely going to be the case) ignores Telles and Sarr and keeps Alonso

we are rolling into next year with quite possible almost the exact same team, minus Giroud and Pedro

I think that is just asking for trouble, especially if we do not get Chillwell and those other two LB options are ignore and either nothing is done there or we buy middling dregs

that said, I can so see it happening

I have seen some info and talked to some people and I am actually far more pessimistic that we will spend much at all, unless a gift horse is pushed into out faces (surely we MUST at least attempt to grab Werner at that cut rate price)

I think the club is in financial expenditure contraction mode and that it is gong to be run far more in terms at looking at extracting steady profits regardless of what is going on in terms of results (as long as we are competitive for a top 4 or even a top 7 finish)

I hope I am wrong, but I am far less hopeful of this that I was just a few weeks back.

the more I think about it, the less I think we make a move for Sancho, not at the price he will end up going for

I just hope that it does not go so far as to mandate we tell Leicester to fuck off if/when they demand 70m quid or so for Chillwell

Most people should/would want the same core to continue. And not without reason. These are not 26+ old players who have reached their primes. The core (Tammy, mount, Reece, pulisic, Cho, tomori) are below 22/23 and they are no where near their peaks. Some very far off and yet we are very competitive. With these young guys (not counting the likes of Andreas, zouma, RLC who are also "young"), we have a decent blend of experience in jorginho, azpi, Kante, willian, Emerson etc. You can see through various sources that these guys enjoy playing with each other, their is a massive sense of positivity and togetherness in the team. 

I personally will be happy with keeping willy (simply cause I don't think we have a decent chance of getting Sancho given who else is interested), buying Chilwell (non-negotiable, pay up the 70-80 that they would want), buying a better 2nd striker (moussa dembele, Werner is a better option, but again I am quite sure he will end up at Bayern, but I do agree do whatever we can to get him here). Maybe a better 2nd gk? 

If we get this, end up with a squad of

Gk - kepa, 2nd gk, 3rd gk

Rb - Reece, azpi

CB - Rudi, zouma, tomori, Andreas

Lb - Chilwell, Emerson

Cm - jorginho, Kante, kovacic, mount, RLC, gilmour

Wingers - puli, willian, CHO

St - Tammy, dembele

Ugbo, anjorin to fill in as and when needed. I would be happy. Infact I would be excited.