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[Stingray 9,441]

Kdb is so overrated on here.

You clearly haven't seen him play much. There would have been an argumentation instead of a knee jerk cry. He is young, but completely outplayed all (but Kompany) in the NT. He carried Bremen in his first year and saved them from relegation. He ran the most miles in th Bundesliga, got awards and has very, very nice stats to dhow. Also, he looked good during preseason.

So it is normal we rate him.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

sorry but i dont believe that. moses was our BEST player in the pre-season and deserves a start in the first match. i am sure jose is a performance based coach rather than one who already has his teamsheets jotted down, no matter what. so at this moment, based on the pre-season and current form moses should be starting ahead of kdb on the right wing

moses - oscar - hazard.

no! KdB was better than Hazard and just as good as Moses in pre-season! and KdB is a better player than Moses also.

Edited August 17, 2013 by Pacquiao

[chrismada9 1,948]

Let be honest here, Moses is nothing more than an impact sub, never going to be firs team regular. Not ahead of Hazard/Mata/Oscar anyway.

Won't be surprised if he actually leaves to be honest. Everton have been looking at him.

[didierforever 7,349]

no! KdB was better than Hazard and just as good as Moses in pre-season! and KdB is a better player than Moses also.

in the asian part of the tour - yes he was our best player. in the us tour - moses was our best player.

kdb is a better player than moses - HOW? he is yet to play a professional match in the chelsea blue. lets reserve our judgement on him till he plays atleast 90 mins.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

in the asian part of the tour - yes he was our best player. in the us tour - moses was our best player.

kdb is a better player than moses - HOW? he is yet to play a professional match in the chelsea blue. lets reserve our judgement on him till he plays atleast 90 mins.

how? ,maybe because he is a much better all round player! if you have seen him play other than in pre-season this would be very obvious to you, He was Werder Bremens best player last year and one of the best young players in the Bundesliga last season! he was also Belgium's best player during WC qualifying! and was a major reason why they have qualified for the 2014 WC! he is a serious talent, with alot more potential than Moses!

[Hutcho 8,443]

then i simply dont understand why some1 like moses should/would even bother try playing good and impressing the boss if "no way he would play in front of KDB in my opinion" this is the attitude adopted by a manager. the pre-season performances should mean something especially if some1 has been exceptional, because i simply dont see any other way for a squad/fringe player like moses to fight for a 1st team spot. a player's performance should precede his name.

if moses does not start tomorrow i hope its only because of his international friendly commitment and nothing else. (for his own sake).

Yeah. No way he should play in tommorrow game over him but if he performs better than him of course he deserves to start. I'm just saying going of pre season can be deceptive in either way. Good or bad. He has done well and he will get his chance this season. But two great pre season games doesn't get him ahead of KDB who also had a great pre season.

[didierforever 7,349]

how? ,maybe because he is a much better all round player! if you have seen him play other than in pre-season this would be very obvious to you, He was Werder Bremens best player last year and one of the best young players in the Bundesliga last season! he was also Belgium's best player during WC qualifying! and was a major reason why they have qualified for the 2014 WC! he is a serious talent, with alot more potential than Moses!

sheva was an awesome player for milan and ukraine but was not half the player for chelsea as for them. as i said before - reserve your judgement on him till he actually plays a professional match for chelsea.

also as i said before, the team should be decided on form and performance, not on talent and potential. no one is denying kdb's potential but lets not jump the gun with him. i am sure he will need time to settle to PL's pace and physicality just like anyother player in the world. with people expecting miracles every time he would touch the ball, a lot of us might be disappointed with the reality.

[didierforever 7,349]

Yeah. No way he should play in tommorrow game over him but if he performs better than him of course he deserves to start. I'm just saying going of pre season can be deceptive in either way. Good or bad. He has done well and he will get his chance this season. But two great pre season games doesn't get him ahead of KDB who also had a great pre season.

fair enough.

[Zoro 151]

Moses played a lot lot better than Lukaku during preseason. Why is Moses seen as an impact sub but Lukaku is seen as a starter? Serious question.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

sheva was an awesome player for milan and ukraine but was not half the player for chelsea as for them. as i said before - reserve your judgement on him till he actually plays a professional match for chelsea.

also as i said before, the team should be decided on form and performance, not on talent and potential. no one is denying kdb's potential but lets not jump the gun with him. i am sure he will need time to settle to PL's pace and physicality just like anyother player in the world. with people expecting miracles every time he would touch the ball, a lot of us might be disappointed with the reality.

that is a terrible example! using sheva to compare with KdB!

KdB isnt just a player with potential he is a top player already! he is ahead of Moses because he can do so much more than Moses who is very limited with what he offers. I guess your just another person who doesn't realise yet just how good KdB is, you will see soon though! imo KdB and Hazard will start virtually every week with Oscar and Mata rotating the number 10 role.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Moses played a lot lot better than Lukaku during preseason. Why is Moses seen as an impact sub but Lukaku is seen as a starter? Serious question.

Because first of all Moses isnt even competing with Lukaku for a place in the team and having a good pre-season doesn't automatically mean you will be a starter at the start of the season, Jose is doing the right thing with Moses he is a very good option to come off the bench against a tiring team, but as a starter we have many other better options.

Edited August 17, 2013 by Pacquiao

[Hutcho 8,443]

Moses played a lot lot better than Lukaku during preseason. Why is Moses seen as an impact sub but Lukaku is seen as a starter? Serious question.

Because lukaku has competition with BA and torres both of whom had worse pre seasons than Romelu.

In midfield we have tons of options including some of the best in the world who (at least on paper are better). It would take a brave man to start moses over hazard mata oscar KDB, in the first game of the season. (ofc mata probably won't for obvious reasons.)

[Zoro 151]

that is a terrible example! using sheva to compare with KdB!

KdB isnt just a player with potential he is a top player already! he is ahead of Moses because he can do so much more than Moses who is very limited with what he offers. I guess your just another person who doesn't realise yet just how good KdB is, you will see soon though! imo KdB and Hazard will start virtually every week with Oscar and Mata rotating the number 10 role.

Why would Mata be rotating with Oscar. I cant believe people are forgetting how good Mata has been for us since he came. Unless he loses his form, he will be starting every game.

[didierforever 7,349]

that is a terrible example! using sheva to compare with KdB!

KdB isnt just a player with potential he is a top player already! he is ahead of Moses because he can do so much more than Moses who is very limited with what he offers. I guess your just another person who doesn't realise yet just how good KdB is, you will see soon though! imo KdB and Hazard will start virtually every week with Oscar and Mata rotating the number 10 role.

why is it a bad example?

and did u even read my post? did i deny kdb potential? did i say moses is a better player anywhere in our 5-6 post discussion. all i said was kdb will need time to adjust to PL JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE WORLD. u cant expect him to simply fit into the system. and (god forbid) if he does not stand upto his potential it will be people like you who are exaggerating kdb to a limit, who will be the most disappointed.

[Pacquiao 1,834]

Why would Mata be rotating with Oscar. I cant believe people are forgetting how good Mata has been for us since he came. Unless he loses his form, he will be starting every game.

Mata is world class i am pretty sure he will play the majority of games for us! but Jose will also give Oscar a chance in the number 10 role.

[NishC300 1,865]

Why would Mata be rotating with Oscar. I cant believe people are forgetting how good Mata has been for us since he came. Unless he loses his form, he will be starting every game.

Exactly. It's pretty annoying that people forget that nobody in our team can pass like him and open up defences like him

You know sometimes I feel like the decision to send Wallace on loan was bad because now we only have one genuine RB, Azpilicueta. Ivanovic isn't that comfortable with the RB role. Hope this decision to help Wallace develop doesn't backfire because of our lack of depth in the RB position. Wallace could get some game time here against the weaker teams (i.e League Cup, Cup matches vs lower league sides (or weaker PL sides), CL games vs useless teams, PL games where our opponent has parked the bus)

[Pacquiao 1,834]

why is it a bad example?

and did u even read my post? did i deny kdb potential? did i say moses is a better player anywhere in our 5-6 post discussion. all i said was kdb will need time to adjust to PL JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER PLAYER IN THE WORLD. u cant expect him to simply fit into the system. and (god forbid) if he does not stand upto his potential it will be people like you who are exaggerating kdb to a limit, who will be the most disappointed.

It's a bad example because Sheva didn't perform here because he was getting old and lost some pace and wasn't the same player that was so good for Milan! KdB is nothing like sheva.

did i say that you said you denied KdB potential? NO. Did you not say 'kdb is a better player than moses - HOW?' this to me looks like you dont agree that KdB is better than Moses otherwise you wouldn't be asking me how is he better.

so you think every player in the world needs time to adjust to the PL? yeah because Mata, Aguero, Azpilicueta, Michu + Many many others all needed time to adjust didn't they?

[didierforever 7,349]

It's a bad example because Sheva didn't perform here because he was getting old and lost some pace and wasn't the same player that was so good for Milan! KdB is nothing like sheva.

did i say that you said you denied KdB potential? NO. Did you not say 'kdb is a better player than moses - HOW?' this to me looks like you dont agree that KdB is better than Moses otherwise you wouldn't be asking me how is he better.

so you think every player in the world needs time to adjust to the PL? yeah because Mata, Aguero, Azpilicueta, Michu + Many many others all needed time to adjust didn't they?

we came 6th the season mata joined us.. no one expected us to be the PL champs in those season. right now we are the favourites and its our PL to lose. the margin of error has reduced drastically/exponentially.

azpi's first start was in COC if i am not mistaken and was barely used by rdm in the first 3 months - so YES, he needed time to settle.

as for michu, hahaha, lets see what he does this season.

also players like malouda, rvp, henry + majority of the ones who have played in PL would like to add something to this.

Edited August 17, 2013 by didierforever

[Pacquiao 1,834]

we came 6th the season mata joined us.. no one expected us to be the PL champs in those season. right now we are the favourites and its our PL to lose. the margin of error has reduced drastically/exponentially.

azpi's first start was in COC if i am not mistaken and was barely used by rdm in the first 3 months - so YES, he needed time to settle.

as for michu, hahaha, lets see what he does this season.

It's not our title to lose at all! We have a big battle to try to win it! Man City are favourites!

So do you agree then that not every player in the world needs time to settle in the PL! And also why don't you clear it up then who do you think is better Moses or KdB?

[didierforever 7,349]

It's not our title to lose at all! We have a big battle to try to win it! Man City are favourites!

So do you agree then that not every player in the world needs time to settle in the PL! And also why don't you clear it up then who do you think is better Moses or KdB

well lets agree to disagree there. i feel mancs are a disaster waiting to happen.

u do know the difference between time to settle and actually struggle is, right?

again never said moses was a BETTER player. when i asked "HOW", it was for me to get my point across that kdb is yet to play in chelsea blue and none of us no how good he would be for the team, so stop hyping/exaggerating him. all i have been saying is form and performances should be given preferences to name, potential and talent (which would make it clear to an infant who i think a better player is).