Krypt 241 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 says he's indebted to ushttp://www.thisislon...chelsea-fans.doI'll have mine in cash pleaseDidn't he come out and say that a couple of months ago , is this his way of reassuring us that he is trying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Didn't he come out and say that a couple of months ago , is this his way of reassuring us that he is trying.Well I don't think he has been trying hard enough in the last couple of games. It is obvious he has not been giving 100% lately.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Agree last couple of games he was poor. This match against the dippers will be a big test. I'm really interested to see how he performs. If he wants to get back to anything close to his best then he has to start with it. It's no point scoring against Swansea and genk. If he plays well this Sunday, even if he doesn't score, then I'll be much more optimistic because it'll show he's left all the crap in the past and it doesn't affect him anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fulham Broadway 17,315 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Didn't he come out and say that a couple of months ago , is this his way of reassuring us that he is trying.Think he did Krypt -but its club and agent PR driven probably - he will come good in patches, but consistency is whats needed Sheva. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Agree last couple of games he was poor. This match against the dippers will be a big test. I'm really interested to see how he performs. If he wants to get back to anything close to his best then he has to start with it. It's no point scoring against Swansea and genk. If he plays well this Sunday, even if he doesn't score, then I'll be much more optimistic because it'll show he's left all the crap in the past and it doesn't affect him anymore.He did well against Man Ure and that was at OT, where he got untold stick....you know if Torres is up for a game, as when he recieves the ball he looks to go on a bit of a run down either flank. When he is hiding he will look for the simple pass. Also his movement off the ball is important, when he is sprinting to find the space you know he is game, if he is just jogging about he is not interested.Agree last couple of games he was poor. This match against the dippers will be a big test. I'm really interested to see how he performs. If he wants to get back to anything close to his best then he has to start with it. It's no point scoring against Swansea and genk. If he plays well this Sunday, even if he doesn't score, then I'll be much more optimistic because it'll show he's left all the crap in the past and it doesn't affect him anymore.He did well against Man Ure and that was at OT, where he got untold stick....you know if Torres is up for a game, as when he recieves the ball he looks to go on a bit of a run down either flank. When he is hiding he will look for the simple pass. Also his movement off the ball is important, when he is sprinting to find the space you know he is game, if he is just jogging about he is not interested. nofreakingway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLion. 21,491 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Nice to know he's trying, of course we wouldn't expect anything less than that for his wages each week.Time to start scoring or move on, Fernando, my patience is running thin. Badboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 He did well against Man Ure and that was at OT, where he got untold stick....you know if Torres is up for a game, as when he recieves the ball he looks to go on a bit of a run down either flank. When he is hiding he will look for the simple pass. Also his movement off the ball is important, when he is sprinting to find the space you know he is game, if he is just jogging about he is not interested. Yeh his performance there was really good and scored an excellent goal too. This one will be different though because you know the LFC fans are going to scream all sorts of things at him and last season he just seemed to collapse under it but now he has to show that he's moving on with that crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Yeh his performance there was really good and scored an excellent goal too. This one will be different though because you know the LFC fans are going to scream all sorts of things at him and last season he just seemed to collapse under it but now he has to show that he's moving on with that crapIf he scores i think he will put all the shit behind him , if he has another bad game i think we might be looking at another waste of money as Bluelion said his patience is getting thin and i think that's the case for alot of us here. Its not like he is new to the league so he should be at least scoring , that's what he is paid to do. he has had longer to prove himself here than any other striker we have had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 If he scores i think he will put all the shit behind him , if he has another bad game i think we might be looking at another waste of money as Bluelion said his patience is getting thin and i think that's the case for alot of us here. Its not like he is new to the league so he should be at least scoring , that's what he is paid to do. he has had longer to prove himself here than any other striker we have had.What frustrates me with him is that he has showed he can still do it in a Chelsea shirt but only very rarely. The only games where I have thought "wow, that is the old Torres" are the games against Stoke, Man U and 1st half v Genk at home....Why can't he give that level of effort in all games??. If it does not happen for him then fine, but at least try your best...We have to stay positive with him and at least his performances this year have not been as bad as when we first signed him when some of the performances were embarrasing...his allround play is ok now and he does have a few assists, but obviously for £50m we expect more. francozola and nofreakingway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 he has had longer to prove himself here than any other striker we have had.Not so sure about that....in my Chelsea life, Robert Fleck, Paul Furlong and Chris Sutton come to mind.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmax 9,219 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 The way Liverpool reacted to the whole thing was pathetic. They made it seem as if it was a last minute betrayal and they weren't given any time, whatever.It's a FACT that Torres was disillusioned with the club during all that Hicks and Gillette nonsense. He was promised many things by them and they didn't deliver. They let their best players in Alonso, Arbeloa, etc go. He probably wanted out at the beginning of the 10/11 season but decided to give it some time. Then he was managed by Roy Hodgson... I mean come on!The boardroom saga went on for soooo long. He was suffering injury after injury. And you know what? One of the few decent games he had in 10/11 was against us at Anfield. I've got this feeling that that performance by him, was a message to Roman to buy him and that he's still "got it".Why the transfer was so last minute: Liverpool were trying to sign Suarez for 20odd million and if Ajax had known that they were sitting on 40 or so mil (which would have been the original transfer price if Newcastle hadn't demanded 35m for that lump of shit), they would have asked for much more. Queen Kenny also must have blocked the transfer til the very last minute, as he wanted the LFC supporters to turn on Torres so as to justify the transfer. "He bottled it, he betrayed us" yada yadaY'know what? FUCK THEM. I've never hated anything as much as I hate Liverpool Football Club. I want them to burn and I hope it begins on Sunday with a Torres hattrick.Liverpool forced Torres' hand by publishing the news about rejecting the initial bid on it's official website. They could have stayed quiet about it but I figure they actually wanted to get rid of him, if it meant they could paint him as the villain of the piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Not so sure about that....in my Chelsea life, Robert Fleck, Paul Furlong and Chris Sutton come to mind..Sorry i meant recently , have to agree with your other post these has been glimpses of the Torres of old but nothing more than that. If we are still saying this at the end of the season we will be looking for alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Sorry i meant recently , have to agree with your other post these has been glimpses of the Torres of old but nothing more than that. If we are still saying this at the end of the season we will be looking for alternatives.But this is the problem, with these new financial rules we do not have the choice of another expensive option.....Torres is on 175k a week, even if we get someone interested they wont pay even half of that and would probably want him on loan, so we would have to front up the rest. The replacement would want at least 100k a week and with the transfer fee I dont think think we could afford it, as we already have huge debt. Unless we can get Anelka, Kalou, Drogba and Malouda of the wage bill I think we are stuck with him. That is why AVB needs to man manage him better. Torres said yesterday that he loves Benitez and gave everything for him, why not approach Rafa and ask how to manage him????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 But this is the problem, with these new financial rules we do not have the choice of another expensive option.....Torres is on 175k a week, even if we get someone interested they wont pay even half of that and would probably want him on loan, so we would have to front up the rest. The replacement would want at least 100k a week and with the transfer fee I dont think think we could afford it, as we already have huge debt. Unless we can get Anelka, Kalou, Drogba and Malouda of the wage bill I think we are stuck with him. That is why AVB needs to man manage him better. Torres said yesterday that he loves Benitez and gave everything for him, why not approach Rafa and ask how to manage him?????I cant see AVB asking Rafa he does need to man manage him better though , i agree in the terms that we wont be able to afford to replace him but there is a chance that we will be getting rid of Anelka, Drogba and Malouda so we may have some space in the age budget plus we have Danny , could he step up and be the main man ? Torres in some games shows he has still got it , we just need to get him to the point where he is consistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 I cant see AVB asking Rafa he does need to man manage him better though , i agree in the terms that we wont be able to afford to replace him but there is a chance that we will be getting rid of Anelka, Drogba and Malouda so we may have some space in the age budget plus we have Danny , could he step up and be the main man ? Torres in some games shows he has still got it , we just need to get him to the point where he is consistent.Agreed, consistancy is the problem with Torres and it's up for AVB to get this out of him...He is not another Sheva, still only 27, which should be the prime of his career...I have doubts about wether Sturridge could be the main CF at Chelsea longterm. I know he is only young and inexperienced but his tendancy to use that left foot every time hinders him. I hope i'm wrong but time will tell..As for Torres, I going to stay positive that this is the game he will give us his all and be a matchwinner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 Agreed, consistancy is the problem with Torres and it's up for AVB to get this out of him...He is not another Sheva, still only 27, which should be the prime of his career...I have doubts about wether Sturridge could be the main CF at Chelsea longterm. I know he is only young and inexperienced but his tendancy to use that left foot every time hinders him. I hope i'm wrong but time will tell..As for Torres, I going to stay positive that this is the game he will give us his all and be a matchwinnerBut the question is how will AVB make him a matchwinner , time will tell i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 But the question is how will AVB make him a matchwinner , time will tell i guess.That will be a part of how AVB will be judged. Carlo could not do it, so it won't be easy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
francozola 2,040 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 But this is the problem, with these new financial rules we do not have the choice of another expensive option.....Torres is on 175k a week, even if we get someone interested they wont pay even half of that and would probably want him on loan, so we would have to front up the rest. The replacement would want at least 100k a week and with the transfer fee I dont think think we could afford it, as we already have huge debt. Unless we can get Anelka, Kalou, Drogba and Malouda of the wage bill I think we are stuck with him. That is why AVB needs to man manage him better. Torres said yesterday that he loves Benitez and gave everything for him, why not approach Rafa and ask how to manage him?????But we are going to get rid of them.. I'm 100% sure none of those will still be a Chelsea player come 1st September 2012I get your point but if he doesn't come into consistent form by the end of the year then he has to go. If he isn't scoring he's kind of useless because he doesn't have the workrate that other players e.g. Rooney have, so that even if they aren't scoring goals they can still contribute their fair share. Yeah Torres gets a few assists here and there but it isn't enough. Anzhi or PSG will probably be willing to pay 25m for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve5221 91 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 But we are going to get rid of them.. I'm 100% sure none of those will still be a Chelsea player come 1st September 2012I get your point but if he doesn't come into consistent form by the end of the year then he has to go. If he isn't scoring he's kind of useless because he doesn't have the workrate that other players e.g. Rooney have, so that even if they aren't scoring goals they can still contribute their fair share. Yeah Torres gets a few assists here and there but it isn't enough. Anzhi or PSG will probably be willing to pay 25m for himTrue, but he would have to want the move or he could reject it....I think Malaga would be the best option - realistically they are the only side in Spain who would pay his wages and country I think Torres would go to...Lets not forget also how much revenue his shirt sales have made us, espcially in Asia....lets stick with him till the end of the season, but if we are having the same conversations then, than even the most diehard Torres fans must realise he has to go.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 True, but he would have to want the move or he could reject it....I think Malaga would be the best option - realistically they are the only side in Spain who would pay his wages and country I think Torres would go to...Lets not forget also how much revenue his shirt sales have made us, espcially in Asia....lets stick with him till the end of the season, but if we are having the same conversations then, than even the most diehard Torres fans must realise he has to go..Completely agree give it till the end of the season , no results think about shipping him off then Malaga maybe a good destination i couldnt see him at PSG or Anzhi , though i hope we are not talking about this come the end of the season i want him to win trophies with us and become a fan favourite here. time will tell but he better get his shooting boots on sharpish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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