The Benitez Thread

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RAFA OUT!

BRING JOSE!!!

[Stats 7,059]

So comments on the Chelsea Youtube channel are disabled and fans were stopped from taking anti-Benitez banners etc. into the ground on Wednesday. Nice to see the club cares about our opinions as fans.

Seriously, Chelsea FC is becoming more of a joke by the day and is beginning to be run like some sort of dictatorship

Tbh, while I was totally against the appointment of Benitez I understand it. He is the manager in place so far so it is in the club's interest to get behind him, especially with our form atm. It is in the best interest for Chelsea to have people on the same wavelength, because it is not right IMO when the manager is getting jeered by his own fans, regardless of his tenure with Liverpool, he is our boss now and jeering him and protesting against him on matchdays does not help

[The only place to be 11,313]

Seriously, Chelsea FC is becoming more of a joke by the day and is beginning to be run like some sort of dictatorship

Um, what club isn't a dictatorship? Many are owned by one person and I can't remember the last time a club got to vote for their manager.

[J.F. 1,484]

[super_frank8 186]

Who on this entire forum was a 'Rafa advocate'?

I think people were simply saying when he'd been hired that rather than booing him, we should give him a chance to prove himself for the good of the team. It now appears as though the problems facing the team are beyond him.

Unfortunately if appears as though we're going to be stuck with him for 6 more months so we still need to hope he does something good.

Really mate? You're going to make me do this to you?

I think you need to learn when to swallow your own pride if you're unwilling to outright admit your own shortcomings...

EXAMPLE 1:

At a guess, more times than you. If you really want a dick measuring contest, go elsewhere.

You say Rafa isn't part of the team - I disagree. He is the coach now, ergo he is part of the team. That doesn't mean I like him or even enjoy the fact he's at the club.

But the fact is he is at the club and for my club to prosper I need him to do a good job. That's why he has my support, begrudging at is may be.

You say it's ridiculous to think it will affect the morale of the players - I disagree. I've been part of many great crowds at the Bridge (and away) and I've seen and felt the effect it has, kicking the players on into a higher gear. I've also been part of some pretty shit ones where it was so quiet you could hear the players shouting to one another on the pitch from the middle tier. Creating an atmosphere that is pretty toxic isn't going to help them, and it isn't going to help Rafa when he has to get them listening to him in training on a shitty Monday morning.

I've already said I understood why the fans were angry - I was too at first. But I don't see the upside in being negative going forward. The board got the message - the board knew the message way before he was hired but they went forward because they thought it was best for the club.

If people really want to keep booing then that's their prerogative. But at the game on Sunday I wasn't one of them. I sang my heart out for Robbie because he deserved it. But I'm not going to boo our manager when he's trying to get our team to win.

EXAMPLE 2:

We all support the team i different ways and have different views on this appointment. I wasn't happy, but I'm past it. Now I just want to see the team put itself in the best position possible for next season, and I believe Benitez will be integral to that.

You bring up the fact that he slagged us off in the past. So fucking what? That was his job, to gain a competitive edge for his team in whatever manner possible and if that meant giving his own fans a hard on by slagging us off then so be it. I can let a few words slide for the sake of getting behind my team and yes, my team's coach. That's what he is.

That shit thing where we appoint Benitez....it happened. It ain't going to change if I boo loud enough. I'd rather sing the songs that I've been singing for the past 20 years in support of my club, home and away rather than booing a guy who for better or worse is going to be one of the deciding factors in the FUTURE of this club.

And here's the little secret that no-one in the media is reporting - not every fan was booing. Not every fan was holding up little signs or banners and not every fan was abusing him at every opportunity. I don't know what you saw on tv, but 40,000 fans weren't chanting abuse for 90 minutes. Sorry to burst your bubble.

And if you think it will force Roman to 'rectify' the situation then you're really in for a disappointment because in his mind appointing Rafa Benitez IS rectifying the situation. But yeah, you hold on to the anger from a manager of another team saying rude things about a competitor. Me, I'm going to support the team in my way and if that isn't the way that a few of the millions of our fans around the world want me to support my team then they can kiss my ass if they every actually make their way to a football match at the Bridge.

EXAMPLE 3:

Who on this entire forum was a 'Rafa advocate'?

I think people were simply saying when he'd been hired that rather than booing him, we should give him a chance to prove himself for the good of the team. It now appears as though the problems facing the team are beyond him.

Unfortunately if appears as though we're going to be stuck with him for 6 more months so we still need to hope he does something good.

So after taking all of the above into account, are you really still going to try & pretend like you haven't been defending him all along?

Sure, you say that you hate the guy just as much as anyone else - but then you continually go on to digress by saying we should support him nevertheless because 'He is the coach now, ergo he is part of the team. That doesn't mean I like him or even enjoy the fact he's at the club. But the fact is he is at the club and for my club to prosper I need him to do a good job. That's why he has my support, begrudging at is may be.'

& you seem to have no real issue whatsoever with forgiving him for the unforgivable words that he has attempted to tarnish this club with - 'You bring up the fact that he slagged us off in the past. So fucking what? That was his job, to gain a competitive edge for his team in whatever manner possible and if that meant giving his own fans a hard on by slagging us off then so be it. I can let a few words slide for the sake of getting behind my team and yes, my team's coach. That's what he is.'

As far as I am aware, if you are supporting him in any way, shape, or form - particularly if you are condoning his putrid past behaviour & referring to him as 'my team's coach' - you are thus, at the very least, advocating his mere presence at The Bridge. Which you definitely seem to be continually doing & maintaining, regardless of the 'begrudging' circumstances & your valiant beguiling efforts in diverting focus away from that fact.

So it appears that you may very well be just as much of a classless hypocrite as the fat one himself...

That - or you're just a condescending charlatan who somehow believes it is so much better to pretend to support a manager you hate than to display your pure & honest disgust in vagrant fashion like the rest of us who choose to stand up for what we feel is truly right for the club we love - because it is somehow above you? Because you're one of the few who 'actually make their way to a football match at the Bridge.' every week?

I'm sorry, but do you think you could sound any more desperately petty & contrived in your reasoning than you currently do if you tried?

He's had 3 games now to prove that his managerial capabilities may just be able to partially compensate for his personal inadequacies.

All that he has actually managed to prove in that time - is how right & justified we all were in abusing the fuck out of him in the first place.

[Peace. 4,352]

What I can't understand is, how can our board and Roman expect us to play fluid attacking football without a deadly striker and with young players who are still adapting to the league, new life and the language? It was always going to take time...

You cannot understand ? Actually that's pretty simple.

As DYC pointed out somewhere, our board is not run by men of football, but by men of business. And as business men, they do think in term of $$$$$. For them, there are no such things as transition. They want results at the height of what the club spends.

For instance, even a blind man could see that the most expensive laydyboy in history isn't a footballer anymore. However, our club spent 50 fucking millions pound in order to bring him here, spend £180k each and every week to pay his wage. As they are business men, they don't see a player, but an amount of money. Hence, to their mind, a 50 fucking millions pound has to be prolific - and if he isn't, it cannot be his fault, since he is only an item, but it's the manager fault. The same goes for our attacking midfielders. The club spent almost £80m on three CAM, that represents a huge investment. The whole world knows that these three players are for the future, but the board splashed big money to get them, so it has to pay off right now. That is also the true for the whole team. Our squad cost a lot, both in term of transfer fee and in term of wages. Though our board only sees a heap of dollar bills - a bloody huge heap of dollar bills. Therefore, they consider that our team has to be successful and brilliant. And if it doesn't work this way, that must be the manufacturer's fault (I mean the manager).

All in all, they do not see the team as a set of players, but as an addition of money/investment. They do not see the players as individuality which involves (which improves or decreases), but they see them as items (should I say as end products ?). For example, when you buy, let's say, a car. Do you expect it to work perfectly ten months after you bought it ? Or do you want it to work right away ? Now replace "car" by "player" and "you" by "board", and you pictured the situation at our club.

While 20 millions dollar plus 20 millions dollar will always make 40 millions dollar, under any circumstance - a $20m player plus another $20m will seldom make a $40m set of players on the field. Sometimes, it will turn out to be pretty successful and virtualy worth more than $40m, but some other times, it will appear to be the other way around.

Unfortunatly, the board doesn't think this way. That is the problem. And, if we keep following that path, it will turn out to be a major issue. Yeah okay, it's fine to have men which are good to organize pre-seasons in Asia and stuff, or men good at selling shirt. Nonetheless, we desperatly need men of football within the board - men who understand how this sport works.

[EdenHazard 163]

Mourinho was booed by the Real Madrid fans, Rafa is booed by us Chelsea fans... Why don't we do a straight swap? And throw Torres in there for free.

[Bosnian Blue 2,471]

Roman can't be enjoying this. We all get the hump with him over one (Grant) or two (Fat spanish cunt) decisions that he has made in the past. But you only need to look at the bloke watching the games to know he cares. He can't be enjoying this now. Fuck knows what advice he took on appointing EL Wanker but whoever put the idea in his head should be shot.

I think he will act, I really do. Who he appoints next?, fuck knows but, lets face it, can it be any worse than this cunt? As big Samuel rightly said today, if you aint got the fans with you then you have no chance, and that aint going to change anytime soon.

Yes, he cares but he's too stubborn. Sacking The Fat One would mean he made two mistakes (sacking Robbie and appointing Benitez).

[zolayes 14,489]

Mourinho was booed by the Real Madrid fans, Rafa is booed by us Chelsea fans... Why don't we do a straight swap? And throw Torres in there for free.

and Malouda ....and Gourlay and Buck

[zolayes 14,489]

You cannot understand ? Actually that's pretty simple.

As DYC pointed out somewhere, our board is not run by men of football, but by men of business. And as business men, they do think in term of $$$$$. For them, there are no such things as transition. They want results at the height of what the club spends.

For instance, even a blind man could see that the most expensive laydyboy in history isn't a footballer anymore. However, our club spent 50 fucking millions pound in order to bring him here, spend £180k each and every week to pay his wage. As they are business men, they don't see a player, but an amount of money. Hence, to their mind, a 50 fucking millions pound has to be prolific - and if he isn't, it cannot be his fault, since he is only an item, but it's the manager fault. The same goes for our attacking midfielders. The club spent almost £80m on three CAM, that represents a huge investment. The whole world knows that these three players are for the future, but the board splashed big money to get them, so it has to pay off right now. That is also the true for the whole team. Our squad cost a lot, both in term of transfer fee and in term of wages. Though our board only sees a heap of dollar bills - a bloody huge heap of dollar bills. Therefore, they consider that our team has to be successful and brilliant. And if it doesn't work this way, that must be the manufacturer's fault (I mean the manager).

All in all, they do not see the team as a set of players, but as an addition of money/investment. They do not see the players as individuality which involves (which improves or decreases), but they see them as items (should I say as end products ?). For example, when you buy, let's say, a car. Do you expect it to work perfectly ten months after you bought it ? Or do you want it to work right away ? Now replace "car" by "player" and "you" by "board", and you pictured the situation at our club.

While 20 millions dollar plus 20 millions dollar will always make 40 millions dollar, under any circumstance - a $20m player plus another $20m will seldom make a $40m set of players on the field. Sometimes, it will turn out to be pretty successful and virtualy worth more than $40m, but some other times, it will appear to be the other way around.

Unfortunatly, the board doesn't think this way. That is the problem. And, if we keep following that path, it will turn out to be a major issue. Yeah okay, it's fine to have men which are good to organize pre-seasons in Asia and stuff, or men good at selling shirt. Nonetheless, we desperatly need men of football within the board - men who understand how this sport works.

what you say is so true but so FUCKING DEPRESSING...they know the price of everything and the value of nothing

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[EdenHazard 163]

Isn't it worrying though, Benitez was given a contract till the end of the season. No guarantee's about keeping his job or losing it. Its not like, he's on a two-year contract. So the team he works with, Isn't really going to be one he's working with for years. So what if he's just messing us up? You never know. I doubt that anyone would be low to do that. But you never know.

Mess us up, Take the money. Leave.

Either way, Here's to hoping he doesn't make it till the end of the season. Because god knows what we'll be like if that does happen.

[Kezza 1,965]

Rumours doing the rounds that if Real lose to Atletico tonight then Mourinho will leave. If this happens then Roman has to swallow his pride and get him back!

He would get the crowd back onside and the players playing for both him and the shirt. There is no better fit for this football club than Jose Mourinho!

I'm supporting Atletico tonight! C'mon Falcao!

Looks like he's staying in Madrid

[The only place to be 11,313]

Really mate? You're going to make me do this to you?

EXAMPLE 1:

EXAMPLE 2:

EXAMPLE 3:

So after taking all of the above into account, are you really still going to try & pretend like you haven't been defending him all along?

Sure, you say that you hate the guy just as much as anyone else - but then you continually go on to digress by saying we should support him nevertheless because 'He is the coach now, ergo he is part of the team. That doesn't mean I like him or even enjoy the fact he's at the club. But the fact is he is at the club and for my club to prosper I need him to do a good job. That's why he has my support, begrudging at is may be.'

& you seem to have no real issue whatsoever with forgiving him for the unforgivable words that he has attempted to tarnish this club with - 'You bring up the fact that he slagged us off in the past. So fucking what? That was his job, to gain a competitive edge for his team in whatever manner possible and if that meant giving his own fans a hard on by slagging us off then so be it. I can let a few words slide for the sake of getting behind my team and yes, my team's coach. That's what he is.'

As far as I am aware, if you are supporting him in any way, shape, or form - particularly if you are condoning his putrid past behaviour & referring to him as 'my team's coach' - you are thus advocating his mere presence at The Bridge. Which you definitely seem to be continually doing & maintaining, regardless of the 'begrudging' circumstances & your valiant beguiling efforts in diverting focus away from that fact.

So it appears that you may very well be just as much of a classless hypocrite as the fat one himself...

That - or you're just a condescending charlatan who somehow believes it is so much better to support a manager you hate than to display your pure & honest disgust in vagrant fashion like the rest of us who choose to stand up for what we feel is truly right for the club we love - because it is somehow above you? Because you're one of the few who 'actually make their way to a football match at the Bridge.' every week?

I'm sorry, but do you think you could sound any more desperately petty & contrived in your reasoning than you currently do if you tried?

He's had 3 games now to prove that his managerial capabilities may just be able to partially compensate for his personal inadequacies. All that he has actually managed to prove in that time - is how right & justified we all were in abusing the fuck out of him in the first place.

There is absolutely no hypocrisy whatsoever in what I've said. I've stated I don't like the guy and I hated the idea of him being at the club, but he's here now and the pragmatist in me wants him to succeed for the sake of my club.

I've let what he said in the past go because I honestly don't care about it. I'm sorry if that isn't something you approve of, but he said what he said when he was trying to gain a competitive edge and if that meant getting a bit more noise from his own fans by slagging off our's, I can rationalise that. However I will say that he has not done himself any favours in explaining it in recent days.

I'm not advocating his presence at the Bridge - I'm pointing out that for the foreseeable future he IS going to be at the Bridge. Those are vastly different concepts. I don't want him there, but he's going to be. I didn't want him to be hired, but he has been. Can you see the difference between those ideas?

I probably do think it's best to support Rafa and the team, rather than boo him in the hopes it will change time and he won't have been hired. I honestly don't know who else is out there who would come in and do the job right now, without it doing more damage to our hopes our hiring a decent manager in the summer.

This all completely ignores the fact that I've slated the team's performance today. It wasn't good enough and his changes were poor in my opinion. But you've decided to eschew a decent argument against me in favour of trying (and failing) to paint me as a hypocrite whilst calling me a 'charlatan', a 'hypocrite' and 'classless'.

The thing is that I ultimately view you as I view Rafa. It's part of what supporting the modern Chelsea is, and I have to try and accept you both graciously.

[Kezza 1,965]

[Reddish-Blue 2,355]

Isn't it worrying though, Benitez was given a contract till the end of the season. No guarantee's about keeping his job or losing it. Its not like, he's on a two-year contract. So the team he works with, Isn't really going to be one he's working with for years. So what if he's just messing us up? You never know. I doubt that anyone would be low to do that. But you never know.

Mess us up, Take the money. Leave.

Either way, Here's to hoping he doesn't make it till the end of the season. Because god knows what we'll be like if that does happen.

How is Benitez messing us up? Our counter attacking football in the first half was pretty good, we were in control, its just NONE of our players took their chances.

If the players fuck up in front of goal, how is that the manager's fault?

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He looks so sexy and happy in that pic

[EdenHazard 163]

How is Benitez messing us up? Our counter attacking football in the first half was pretty good, we were in control, its just NONE of our players took their chances.

If the players fuck up in front of goal, how is that the manager's fault?

Because the players that 'fuck up infront of goal' wouldn't be playing had the manager not picked them. Torres etc, Doubt Rafa will ever drop him. Them two are like lovers. His tactics etc. Substitutions etc.