Charly Musonda Jr.

[the wes 7,212]

15 minutes ago, mccg said:

Celtic ‘closing in’ on Chelsea youngster set for loan move after Newcastle match

https://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2018/1/27/16939482/celtic-closing-in-on-chelsea-youngster-set-for-loan-move-after-newcastle-match

mmm pissed if this goes thru on many levels!

worse place to sent him he's to good to be playing in that poor league fs 

[mccg 1,528]

8 hours ago, the wes said:

worse place to sent him he's to good to be playing in that poor league fs 

Yeah with Willians hammy gone and Pedro being Pedro , we nearly need him to stay and step up to the plate and grab the chance?! Wait until the summer now ffs

[Leif 6,006]

Celtic's a good fit. People argue that the SPL is weaker than the Championship, but Celtic are twice the team of any Championship one. Better coaches at the club, more demanding mentality, more consistently in cup finals, and they always have some level of European action. It could be argued that it's bad to have low-level opposition, but I think it's a good thing for Charly to get used to winning, and being proactive instead of reactive. Charly isn't even a player who needs to be playing against the top players of the world to develop: he just needs games full-stop: and the SPL should surely make a man out of him. Even Sinclair's become tough.

It's almost mad to think that within a space of just a few years, 2 players who entered their ripe stage with Celtic (Van Djik + Dembele) will gross around 100m+. 2 players, from Celtic's tutelage, 100m. 2018.

Finally, from Charly's POV, building a relationship with Celtic is only a good thing considering that their players eventually transfer to top clubs elsewhere these days. If we jerk him around, or don't want him (...), it'd be wise for him if he could return for a 2nd-stint with Celtic right away to continue building his reputation. 

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[OneMoSalah 8,883]

3 hours ago, Leif said:

Celtic's a good fit. People argue that the SPL is weaker than the Championship, but Celtic are twice the team of any Championship one. Better coaches at the club, more demanding mentality, more consistently in cup finals, and they always have some level of European action. It could be argued that it's bad to have low-level opposition, but I think it's a good thing for Charly to get used to winning, and being proactive instead of reactive. Charly isn't even a player who needs to be playing against the top players of the world to develop: he just needs games full-stop: and the SPL should surely make a man out of him. Even Sinclair's become tough.

It's almost mad to think that within a space of just a few years, 2 players who entered their ripe stage with Celtic (Van Djik + Dembele) will gross around 100m+. 2 players, from Celtic's tutelage, 100m. 2018.

Finally, from Charly's POV, building a relationship with Celtic is only a good thing considering that their players eventually transfer to top clubs elsewhere these days. If we jerk him around, or don't want him (...), it'd be wise for him if he could return for a 2nd-stint with Celtic right away to continue building his reputation. 

100% agree pal. 

Celtic has been an excellent platform for guys and in the past the likes of van Dijk, Wanyama, Forster have gone from Celtic to the PL and now are all pretty good established players. VVD still think nowhere near £75m but that is what it is. Moussa Dembele will move eventually and Patrick Roberts is bound to make a name for himself in the PL too (Man City player but can't see him getting a huge chance there) although hes been injured a lot this season. Charly just needs games, hes got ability, he just needs a run of games and to build himself up to being used to playing 30-40 games a season because physically he isn't much, the intensity and physicality in the SPL will give him a good understanding of how football can be against teams where you have 60-70% of the ball. Like you said as well he will develop a winning mentality too at Celtic, they are clear favourites for everything but with the 6-10 games in Europe they get each season too its a decent opportunity for him to get used to playing against some bigger teams as well. I think as long as Rodgers is at Celtic, we should look at some of these younger kids coming through and try to make some sort of arrangement, not even only with Celtic, Steve Clarke is at Killie, we seen Hudson-Odoi come on and look good in a short space of time today, imagine if he had the chance to play 30-40 games a season in Scotland? He'd be a good player for somebody there. 

[Shakez 755]

Yeah to be fair, a player like Musonda won't develop playing in a premier league team that chases the ball all game long and fights relegation. Rodgers is a proven top coach, who won't play him out of position (on the wings). And intends to use him in central midfield/n10 role. A couple of apps in europe are an added bonus too. 

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

34 minutes ago, Shakez said:

Yeah to be fair, a player like Musonda won't develop playing in a premier league team that chases the ball all game long and fights relegation. Rodgers is a proven top coach, who won't play him out of position (on the wings). And intends to use him in central midfield/n10 role. A couple of apps in europe are an added bonus too. 

I think he'll be used more as a 10 or wide man yeah. Can't see him anywhere else at Celtic. Unless he plays as an 8 in a 3 man MF but Celtic have got plenty of CM options so maybe not as likely.

[The Skipper 20,609]

4 hours ago, Leif said:

2 players who entered their ripe stage with Celtic (Van Djik + Dembele) will gross around 100m+. 2 players, from Celtic's tutelage, 100m. 2018

VVD should’ve never went for £75m though, let’s be honest. Good points overall though. 

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[King11Didier 916]

At least he can increase his price in Celtic, he should be able to score and assists for fun against the likes of Hamilton and Dundee. Apart from that I don't see many benefit from loaning him in Scotland, the boy needs a real challenge in a top league and to play often. The best solution would be to stay here and the manager to show more faith in him, never gonna happen though, we rather buy some flop for 40+mln that doing that.

[OneMoSalah 8,883]

1 hour ago, King11Didier said:

At least he can increase his price in Celtic, he should be able to score and assists for fun against the likes of Hamilton and Dundee. Apart from that I don't see many benefit from loaning him in Scotland, the boy needs a real challenge in a top league and to play often. The best solution would be to stay here and the manager to show more faith in him, never gonna happen though, we rather buy some flop for 40+mln that doing that.

He just needs to play. If no PL club is willing to take him then sending him to Celtic with Brendan Rodgers is as good as it gets. They have games vs Zenit coming up in EL and quite frankly nobody knows what could happen. Also there’s lots of games to play in SPL. Win-Win

[LAM09 7,043]

At least he can increase his price in Celtic, he should be able to score and assists for fun against the likes of Hamilton and Dundee. Apart from that I don't see many benefit from loaning him in Scotland, the boy needs a real challenge in a top league and to play often. The best solution would be to stay here and the manager to show more faith in him, never gonna happen though, we rather buy some flop for 40+mln that doing that.

Needs game time more than anything at this stage of his game. He was frozen out halfway through his spell at Betis & we know the club still don't insert clause to guarantee game time.

Only alarming thing about this supposed deal is the length (18 months).

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[Pizy 18,859]

I suppose it could do his confidence a load of good not only to play regularly but also to do so against a bunch of Scottish farmers. 😂

[mccg 1,528]

1 out 1 in , i guess the board have some special world class talent on its way lol