The Illuminati Thread

[LDN Blue 7,903]

and also consciously choose to ignore the influence of the Rothschilds and the like.

Legend.

[capriccioso 2,545]

That book made me nerd rage about history. THE PRIORY OF SION WAS A HOAX YOU DUMB AUTHOR GHLADHGLDJHSG BNDGK SDAG

It was also high blasphemy. I've never read/watched the Da Vinci Code. A&D at least tries to avoid insulting.

[diskoviolente 425]

As if the destiny or whatever people call it would be run by a few people. That is a quasi-religios belief filled with a whole package of ressentments and dangerous projections on jews, liberals and left wingers. Anyone really. Whoever just fits in there to "tell the truth". One day it´s the Rothchilds, next day the Bank Of America who can from outside the game run the whole world economy for some reason.

All this is just the simple excuse (or substitution) for not wanting to understand the complexity of world politics.

But hey ho, as long as a fucking Pixar movie is saying there will be blood, then please, put together smoke, a few numbers and three and half theories about semantics which all contradict each other to try in finding out about the unpredictable future for those who can´t cope with not having something to say it.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

We are always trying hard to believe that there is some greater force that controls major events in the world, perhaps it is because our minds can only perceive events as cause and effect or maybe we are just too scared to admit that some major events such as earthquakes,volcanoes...ect are not under anyone's control.

Anyways, if mathematics and probability are anything to go by, it is impossible to foretell such events especially before a long period of time because the variables that are involved in the event are almost infinite. Heck, I can't even guarantee that there will be such thing as The Olympics in twenty years, let alone what will happen in them.

[Naked Mole Rat 437]

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[capriccioso 2,545]

I don't know about Illuminati specifically but I do sort of have a hunch that there is a secret Society that has a big influence on how the world is run.

The United Nations and global finance regulatory bodies like the IMF are hardly secret

[Beirut_Blues 306]

My Great-Grandfather was a Free Mason. Fuck you guys, I'm a potential Free Mason.

Believe it or not our town library was Masonic Lodge and it even has the Lodge number and Free Mason symbol on the front wall.

That's pretty cool....if u join them u'll be hooked up...whatever u want they'll do for u

[Kostas 1,468]

We are always trying hard to believe that there is some greater force that controls major events in the world, perhaps it is because our minds can only perceive events as cause and effect or maybe we are just too scared to admit that some major events such as earthquakes,volcanoes...ect are not under anyone's control.

Anyways, if mathematics and probability are anything to go by, it is impossible to foretell such events especially before a long period of time because the variables that are involved in the event are almost infinite. Heck, I can't even guarantee that there will be such thing as The Olympics in twenty years, let alone what will happen in them.

This is a quite good talk on that idea

[The Skipper 20,593]

In my theory, there will be two bomb attacks in London on 27th of June. First will be at the opening ceremony of Olympics and the second will destroy Big Ben. All world will blame "terrorists" while real responsible persons are goverment. They will blame Iran for explosions and attack them (for gas and oil).

Paha.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Equal pages with the Politics thread? Right. Downhill is the direction.

I actually quite like how South Park explained conspiracy theories in their episode on 9/11, ridiculous ideas that masquerade and make fun of concrete facts (that should be of interest) by those who would rather divert attention via this faultless method. For example rightly laughing at NWO etc and also consciously choose to ignore the influence of the Rothschilds and the like.

Wait, are you saying that the Rothschilds have control over anything? At one point, they were an influential banking family (one of many), but even then, they were used for anti-Semitic propaganda. Pretending that the Rothschilds have international banking control just goes back to the same anti-Semitic nonsense of 200 years ago where Jewish bankers control the world or something. In fact, South Park also always makes fun of these ridiculous anti-Semitic conspiracies.

[OneMoSalah 8,778]

Where was the Illuminati card for Chelsea winning the CL? Every none Chelsea fan though it was a disaster. Stupid cunts they are!

[Kostas 1,468]

Wait, are you saying that the Rothschilds have control over anything? At one point, they were an influential banking family (one of many), but even then, they were used for anti-Semitic propaganda. Pretending that the Rothschilds have international banking control just goes back to the same anti-Semitic nonsense of 200 years ago where Jewish bankers control the world or something. In fact, South Park also always makes fun of these ridiculous anti-Semitic conspiracies.

You're asking whether I believe huge capital holders and investment groups have any control? Are we going to question that money can equal power?

While their influence may be overstated ( in comparison to the 19th century when they probably were new Medicis) I do, in fact, believe that the interests of those funds and of similar groups shape events and trends on a higher scale and can be (if wisely) used as a reference point to how accumulated capital equals control over resources in importance in the modern world.

Not sure why you get defensive about the Semitic side as I've made no mention of it in my post and would appreciate the level of the discussion staying above that.

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

You're asking whether I believe huge capital holders and investment groups have any control? Are we going to question that money can equal power?

While their influence may be overstated ( in comparison to the 19th century when they probably were new Medicis) I do, in fact, believe that the interests of those funds and of similar groups shape events and trends on a higher scale and can be (if wisely) used as a reference point to how accumulated capital equals control over resources in importance in the modern world.

Not sure why you get defensive about the Semitic side as I've made no mention of it in my post and would appreciate the level of the discussion staying above that.

You didn't say that people with money have disproportionate power .That's undeniable and uncontroversial. . If you meant "investment group", you should have said "investment group". The Rothschild's have a big investment group with almost $2 billion in assets, but it's not as big as say, Barclays ($1.5 trillion or so) or Morgan Stanley ($807 billion) or Citigroup ($1.8 trillion) or Deutche Bank (2.2 trillion Euro) or many many others. Why not say them?. Why choose a relatively small investment house as your example for how investment bankers control politics? Instead, you said "The Rothchilds" whose name is synonymous with anti-Semitic caricatures of Jewish bankers controlling the world. The Russians used the Rothschilds for anti-Semitic propaganda. So did the Nazis who, while they were massacring Jews, made a movie called "The Rothschilds Shares in Waterloo" which aimed to show how Jews, led by the Rothschilds, had taken over England. Read a serious historian on the subject, someone like Niall Ferguson who wrote a two-volume book about the family who has said of these conspiracy theories "none of this is based on any historical evidence, in fact, its conspicuous by its absence. It's just a series of repetitions about the Rothschilds that goes right back to the early 19th century. People have been making theses claims; sometimes explicitly anti-Semitic, sometimes implicitly anti-Semitic, for very nearly two centuries."

Also, bigotry does not require being explicit. An example: I was taking a taxi a couple of weeks ago and the driver started saying things like "this neighbourhood used to be good, it had the right sort of people, now it's the wrong kind of people". He didn't have to say " black people" because it was obvious what he meant. In fact, modern bigotry is very rarely explicit. And I am sensitive to this stuff because I loathe bigotry above everything else, grew up in a very multicultural world, have studied bigotry extensively, and know how seemingly innocuous comments can actually be very hurtful.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Wait, are you saying that the Rothschilds have control over anything? At one point, they were an influential banking family (one of many), but even then, they were used for anti-Semitic propaganda. Pretending that the Rothschilds have international banking control just goes back to the same anti-Semitic nonsense of 200 years ago where Jewish bankers control the world or something. In fact, South Park also always makes fun of these ridiculous anti-Semitic conspiracies.

Weren't they the outright most wealthy family at one point? I think they still might be. Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the Rothchild's being filthy rich.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Wait, are you saying that the Rothschilds have control over anything? At one point, they were an influential banking family (one of many), but even then, they were used for anti-Semitic propaganda. Pretending that the Rothschilds have international banking control just goes back to the same anti-Semitic nonsense of 200 years ago where Jewish bankers control the world or something. In fact, South Park also always makes fun of these ridiculous anti-Semitic conspiracies.

What does anti-Semitic have to do with the claims that the likes of the Rothschilds have an influence on politics? The synonymous of use Jew and Semitic is just part of the cunning Zionist propaganda to play the 'racism' card whenever in doubt. It is really ridiculous when you think that Jews don't even constitute 10% of the Semitic population in the globe.

I am Lebanese, which means my native language is Arabic, a Semitic language. I do believe, with good historical reasons, that Zionism has had an immense influence on western policies using the power of finance, especially here in the middle east. Does that make me anti-Semitic?

Whether you share my 'theory' or not, I think that you'll agree that a more suitable name for the likes of me ( ) would be anti-Zionist since the theory itself has nothing to the Semitic race.

On the theory it self, a quick glance over history, will show numerous influential characters and groups in powerful positions are known to be, or even in some cases openly state that they are, Zeonist. Those people/groups have openly influenced world politics like the role played by Lord Balfour and other Zionist British politicians in forcefully creating what is known as Israel to Henry Kissinger's influence on American policies towards the Middle East in the 70s...etc. What more proof does the world need?

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

Weren't they the outright most wealthy family at one point? I think they still might be. Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with the Rothchild's being filthy rich.

Yes, it does. The Rothschilds are not even remotely close to being one of the richest families in the world.The richest Rothschild in the world is the 1153rd richest person in the world according to Forbes with a worth of 1.1 billion. The Koch brothers (who do directly influence politics) are worth $50B. The Waltons are worth $75B, etc...

[TorontoChelsea 4,064]

What does anti-Semitic have to do with the claims that the likes of the Rothschilds have an influence on politics? The synonymous of use Jew and Semitic is just part of the cunning Zionist propaganda to play the 'racism' card whenever in doubt. It is really ridiculous when you think that Jews don't even constitute 10% of the Semitic population in the globe.

I am Lebanese, which means my native language is Arabic, a Semitic language. I do believe, with good historical reasons, that Zionism has had an immense influence on western policies using the power of finance, especially here in the middle east. Does that make me anti-Semitic?

Whether you share my 'theory' or not, I think that you'll agree that a more suitable name for the likes of me ( ) would be anti-Zionist since the theory itself has nothing to the Semitic race.

On the theory it self, a quick glance over history, will show numerous influential characters and groups in powerful positions are known to be, or even in some cases openly state that they are, Zeonist. Those people/groups have openly influenced world politics like the role played by Lord Balfour and other Zionist British politicians in forcefully creating what is known as Israel to Henry Kissinger's influence on American policies towards the Middle East in the 70s...etc. What more proof does the world need?

Yes, I you are pretty clearly an anti-Semite and to me, it's utterly disgusting. And the "Semitic" argument is the logical argument of someone who doesn't understand how language works at a basic level. Language is fluid and its meaning is derived solely from what society deems its meaning to be. Anti-Semitic MEANS anti-Jewish and has meant that for about 150 years.. The word "Girl" used to mean "a young person of either sex". As we all know "gay" used to mean "happy. If someone comes up to you and says "you are a gay girl". Do you say "Oh yes, thank you, I am a happy young person?" If someone says "that was wicked" or "awesome" do you think that something was wretched and evil or full of fear? Of course not, because language means what it is accepted to mean in society and in English "anti-Semitism" means, without any dispute, being anti-Jewish. The number of words in any language that hold their original meaning is infinitesimally small. Language is a living organism that is constantly evolving.

You're just re-hashing the same anti-Semitic bullshit that has been going on for centuries about Jews secretly pulling the strings of world government and putting in the word "Zionist" instead being more honest about it. Henry Kissinger is a perfect example of this. Kissinger was secretary of State for the US from 1973-1977. He was a very influential person in American politics during this period and for a few years before when he was National Security Advisor. Some of it good (he was influential in opening up talks with China) and some of it bad (bombing of Cambodia stands out in particular) But you know what? He is just one of many Secretary of States. Does anyone talk about the evil of Dean Rusk ? How John Foster Dulles secretly pulled the strings of the American government? Nobody has ever even heard of these people and they were just as influential as Kissinger. Secretary of State is an important position, but it doesn't control government policy anyway. No Secretary of State can declare war or raise taxes or do anything like that on their own. (Also, if you read a real history about Kissinger, you would see that his policies in the Middle East were complex.For example, Kissinger opposed helping Israel during the war of 1973 and didn't want the US to get involved and Nixon went against his advice... but why let facts get in the way of conspiracies).

Unfortunately, due to ignorance (bigotry is just ignorance) and the teaching of hatred, anti-Semitism is still common in much of the world and this is unfortunately especially common in the Arab world. http://www.pewglobal...nsions-persist/ (fourth graph down). Unfortunately, in my travels in the middle east, It is very common to come across blatant and sickening anti-Semitism whether it be the street vendor in Cairo selling copies of anti-Semitic books and DVDs or the cab driver in Amman who told me that all the world's problems were caused by Jews.

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Anti-Semitic MEANS anti-Jewish and has meant that for about 150 years

No. Semitic means related to the languages of Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, or Aramaic. You can't change it's meaning because unlike "gay", "Semitic" is a historical term. The only people who think the two words are the same are the ones who have been constantly brainwashed by western media.

Tell me please, if Zionism had no control over British policies at the start of the 20th century, how did the Israeli occupation of Palestine come to be? You seem to be an intelligent person, please don't tell me you believe that God promised Jews the land and the British were acting upon God's wishes?!

The Racism against Jews in the Arab world is only normal. What do you expect? 64 years ago Jews were brought from all over the world into the Arab world, backed by every strong army in the world, killed thousands of unarmed people, took their homes, and have been killing on a daily basis ever since. No matter how hard the media tries, they can't change those facts. If anything, I say the hatred against Jews is apparently not enough because they are still occupying Palestine and killing civilians every day.

I seriously suggest we leave this "discussion" here because we obviously have very different set of norms and beliefs regarding this matter. I'm afraid no matter what we say I will still be a racist terrorist in your opinion and you a brainwashed puppet in mine.