Atlas Lion 1,223 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I can only see Hazard leaving if he want's a free flowing number 10 role, which he would never get here. He's quality on the wing, but centrally, I feel he could become even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jype 6,398 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 but the with the inflation of todays current markets, you never knowYou said only strikers and Zidane go for that sort of money and I gave you three examples from the last year alone to prove you wrong so clearly it wouldn't be just a case of a player going for a ridiculous inflated fee out of the blue like David Luiz for example. Hazard, if he signs the extension and stays for another couple of years, will almost certainly have developed further from the player he is today and be at least as good as any of those three if not even better and I don't think around £60m would be over the odds for a player like that, quite the opposite actually. The market is what it is but for a world class attacking player 50m seems to be the starting rate these days and for a guy being hyped as a potential future Ballon d'Or winner it's not at all unreasonable to ask for even more.Anyway, we shouldn't even talk about selling Hazard at this point. I'd rather just enjoy the qualities he brings to the team and if (right now a very big IF mind you) he wants to go after a couple of more seasons then we'll talk more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joker10 946 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 The eternal Hazard positional debate ... I think you should just give him a free attacking role, so he can come from all sides, surprise & confuse the opponents as much as possible, prevent them from organizing their defense to block Hazard on his left wing.I don't see much of a debate tbh. Hazard is vital to our success, and the team is playing excellent. We havent even seen the best of Hazard and the team this season, which will surely come.I am fine with Hazard current role, it is understandable to sacrifice indiviually for the team. I appreciate that from Hazard, not many star players will accept that. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I love Isco but Hazard can easily go for around £60/70m as we speak IMO, which means you rate Isco at around £45/55m which isn't correct at all. If Isco really wanted to leave I'm pretty sure he'd be available for less than that. Plus I wouldn't swap Isco with Hazard at all to begin with, don't even play in the same (natural) position. Replacing one of the best wingers on the planet with someone who isn't even that comfortable out wide would be stupid.All this tells me is you and the British media overrate hazard vastly. He's done nothing to justify £60/70m price tag. that's the sort you pay for genuine match winners ala Suarez, Zlatan et al. dribbling past players with ease is not enough. impact, consistency and character are equally important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 All this tells me is you and the British media overrate hazard vastly. He's done nothing to justify £60/70m price tag. that's the sort you pay for genuine match winners ala Suarez, Zlatan et al. dribbling past players with ease is not enough. impact, consistency and character are equally important.James. Bale. Cavani. Jype 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 All this tells me is you and the British media overrate hazard vastly. He's done nothing to justify £60/70m price tag. that's the sort you pay for genuine match winners ala Suarez, Zlatan et al. dribbling past players with ease is not enough. impact, consistency and character are equally important.It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then? Jype 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 You said only strikers and Zidane go for that sort of money and I gave you three examples from the last year alone to prove you wrong so clearly it wouldn't be just a case of a player going for a ridiculous inflated fee out of the blue like David Luiz for example. Hazard, if he signs the extension and stays for another couple of years, will almost certainly have developed further from the player he is today and be at least as good as any of those three if not even better and I don't think around £60m would be over the odds for a player like that, quite the opposite actually. The market is what it is but for a world class attacking player 50m seems to be the starting rate these days and for a guy being hyped as a potential future Ballon d'Or winner it's not at all unreasonable to ask for even more.Anyway, we shouldn't even talk about selling Hazard at this point. I'd rather just enjoy the qualities he brings to the team and if (right now a very big IF mind you) he wants to go after a couple of more seasons then we'll talk more. And I said with the current market now adays its difficult to tell...Di maria and man United overpaid for everyone they purchased in since fergie left.Fellaini.Mata.Di maria.Shaw.Even Rooney wagesBale is a winger/second striker that has the ability to score a ton of goals as does Neymar. Bale and hazard are not similar playersl... So, in essence, hazard can go for stupid money when you have clubs like PSG/City/Madrid, but his proper valuation is not 70m... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then?50m.....Best dribblers in the world, but besides that i wouldnt say anything more. James has massive market appeal imo and will be the face of madrid following the end of cr7 reign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZOS 580 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 All this tells me is you and the British media overrate hazard vastly. He's done nothing to justify £60/70m price tag. that's the sort you pay for genuine match winners ala Suarez, Zlatan et al. dribbling past players with ease is not enough. impact, consistency and character are equally important.ok then, what's your number? how many goals, assists, trophy do you expect of him this season to make it in to that list of yours? ... just lay it out here for every one to see and let's put the issue to bed until the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skipper 20,609 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 50m.....Best dribblers in the world, but besides that i wouldnt say anything more. Let me rephrase that. If Hazard signs a contract extension, do you really think a very financially stable team such as ourselves would sell Hazard for only £50m? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Let me rephrase that. If Hazard signs a contract extension, do you really think a very financially stable team such as ourselves would sell Hazard for only £50m?Chelsea wouldnt sell hazard to begin with since it doesnt need money.However, Hazard could push for the move....If so, than I agree, he could go for crazy money as did Bale, cr7, james, etc....Also, I dont think hazard really has real madrid dna.. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nike 373 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I know people here think chelsea and real madrid have the same allure, but anyone can tell you that is far from the truth...Madrid is basically the sign that you made it big in the football world.. You are the rockstars of football and everyone will know you.Madrid is more than just football and I dont think hazard really fits madrid tbh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liquidator 5,176 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I still see him going to Real at some point. Continental players play with themselves at the very mention of Real Madrid, not to mention when Zinedine Zidane starts publicly stating his admiration for them they become like 18 year old girls around a Hollister model in a nightclub Cholo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsden 4,689 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then?Firstly everyone knows Luiz and James were massively overpriced and that was no where near their true valuation. secondly Cavani was sold off the back of 3 truly world class season where he averaged over 22 goals per season and strikers traditionally cost more than other outfield players anyway so the cavani fee was more reasonable Di maria joined Utd after a Ballon dor level season (that's how good he was last season) and if Ronaldo and Messi weren't in the equation, we are talking about a genuine Ballon dor contender right there alongide Suarez and Zlatan. coupled with the fact that United were desperate to revive their season and also appease the fans with marque signings.All things considered we could get £60/70m for Hazard (you are right in that sense and with how crazy the modern market has become ) but that wouldn't be an accurate reflection of his true value which is the point I was trying to make anyway. The Skipper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DYC. 7,542 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 It has nothing to do with the British media, I like yourself see have seen Hazard play enough over the last few years to say that he's worth £60/70m in today's market where the likes of Cavani, Di Maria, Luiz and James are going for massive money. How much is Hazard worth in your opinion then?A player's worth doesn't even exist. We, the people who watch football, do not decide how much a player is worth to the interested club. So many factors are at play when deciding how much they're willing to spend on a player.Zidane was not worth 75 - 80 mil euros back in 2001, Drogba was 'not worth' 24 mil pounds, incredible amount of money back then, and CR was not worth 80 mil pounds back in 2009 (again, a figure that was more significant at the time, even though it's still crazy in today's market.One thing's for sure, Chelsea bought Hazard for 32 mil pounds and his stock has skyrocketed since then. ZOS and The Skipper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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