Weckerz 3,781 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Well, most of us feel quite shitty. Other ones are in denial. It is may more than just KDB and Hazard. We have a structural problem in build up quatilty. Our pivot is experimental (it was slow before - but enter Naingollan), we have backs that make me want Ivanovic, we have a coach that has no attacking concept, but who has nowhere nearly the 'metier' Mou has decensively.We need a coach with vision and we don't have it. If Hazard got off the the field in ander/disappointment, it is because of this. I am very upset with this. In Chelsea. Mou might be defensive and has some in perks in people skills, but he is a manager. Wilmots is a joke, he looks lucky just because of the talent at his disposal. A real manager gets a group like this to have a steady baseline performance at least.Perhaps he should actually train them instead of letting them play mini-football or hit-the-crossbar. Static, boring football with minimal link-up play or understanding between players after 3 years in charge ^^ Stingray and Coop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laugh1ngMan 393 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 people are going way overboard in their critique of Wilmots i feel.Yes he is a bit tactical inept but he took a team full of talents that wasn't doing well and turned it into what it is today, a team that lost only one official match in over three years now and is third in fifa ranking. No matter how you look at that, it is impressive. If we had those results, and were playing the way we are now under a coach with a bigger reputation like Hiddink he would get a lot of praise for that.Also, i don't think a new manager will change much. They are not miracle workers. Look at Mou, he doesnt turn certain players into gold (Schurlle, Salah, Torres...) etc., but he is very good at understanding what a team needs to have succes and he goes out and get it.With the national team a manager's job mainly consists out of man managment and motivation and you can't argue that Wilmots is very good at those things. Tactics has its place but it's not going to be the deciding factor i feel.We just have to realize we don't have the quality in some areas (CM/FB) to ever become a team that consistently plays great football. I mean, look at Chelsea, we have a great squad on paper and can bring almost anyone we want to strengthen it and still we are playing some turgid football that by no means is great attacking football at the moment but it is getting the results.The fact that we play slow is more down to our players than our coach. Benteke, Lukaku, Witsel, Fellaini, Dembele etc. are never gonna give you fast free flowing football. It is in their nature to play slow. Don't think you can improve them on it as a coach when you only see them a few weeks every yearThe players/formation we played against Israel is probably the one that works best for us, considering it brought us our greatest succes so far. If the players decide to be lackluster during a match, like against Israel, you can't tactically do much about it as a coach.Wilmots is not blind to what is wrong with the team btw, he is trying to improve and tries things out (KDB as a 10, Naingolan as the 6 etc.) so i don't mind him too much and will not judge him too harshly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 people are going way overboard in their critique of Wilmots i feel.Yes he is a bit tactical inept but he took a team full of talents that wasn't doing well and turned it into what it is today, a team that lost only one official match in over three years now and is third in fifa ranking. No matter how you look at that, it is impressive. If we had those results, and were playing the way we are now under a coach with a bigger reputation like Hiddink he would get a lot of praise for that.Also, i don't think a new manager will change much. They are not miracle workers. Look at Mou, he doesnt turn certain players into gold (Schurlle, Salah, Torres...) etc., but he is very good at understanding what a team needs to have succes and he goes out and get it.With the national team a manager's job mainly consists out of man managment and motivation and you can't argue that Wilmots is very good at those things. Tactics has its place but it's not going to be the deciding factor i feel.We just have to realize we don't have the quality in some areas (CM/FB) to ever become a team that consistently plays great football. I mean, look at Chelsea, we have a great squad on paper and can bring almost anyone we want to strengthen it and still we are playing some turgid football that by no means is great attacking football at the moment but it is getting the results.The fact that we play slow is more down to our players than our coach. Benteke, Lukaku, Witsel, Fellaini, Dembele etc. are never gonna give you fast free flowing football. It is in their nature to play slow. Don't think you can improve them on it as a coach when you only see them a few weeks every yearThe players/formation we played against Israel is probably the one that works best for us, considering it brought us our greatest succes so far. If the players decide to be lackluster during a match, like against Israel, you can't tactically do much about it as a coach.Wilmots is not blind to what is wrong with the team btw, he is trying to improve and tries things out (KDB as a 10, Naingolan as the 6 etc.) so i don't mind him too much and will not judge him too harshlyI kinda agree. But Wimots is a short term fix. Like a motivational trainer that makes you walk on coals , and thinks this is the solution. His problem is not his motivational skills, nor his analyses. He just has no clue about a solution. Coop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laugh1ngMan 393 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I kinda agree. But Wimots is a short term fix. Like a motivational trainer that makes you walk on coals , and thinks this is the solution. His problem is not his motivational skills, nor his analyses. He just has no clue about a solution.I don't see many solutions either that would actually fix our FB problems or improve the static nature of our midfield. KDB as a 10 seems the logical one but we tried that already and he has yet to give a memorable performance in that position.I see that Wilmots is trying to change things up a little and isn't too stubborn in how he goes about things so it might take him some time to figure things out and come to a solution but i don't think there is a reason not to give him that.It reminds me a little bit of what i heard about Low and thier golden generation. He remember him being criticized in throwing away their golden generation as well but they sticked with him and it paid off. Don't know the exact story behind this and maybe some of the german members can comment more on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I think it would've been great if Belgium went for someone like Hiddink after the WC. If they came in for him I think he would've jumped at the chance, as he already managed his national team in the 90s. I think he has a great national team record considering the teams he managed; if he could take Russia to the Semis of Euro 2008 (nevermind finishing 4th in the WC 2002 with South Korea!), imagine what he could do with the talent of the Belgium national team! (Russia were a really good team at the time, but Belgium are considerably better).I feel frustrated that Wilmots is Belgium's coach, I can only imagine how you guys feel!Yeah, Hiddink is doing a wonderful job with Holland at the moment. He lost to Iceland, Czech Republic and almost to Turkey. And South Korea was practically guided to the semis. So many "errors" by the referees...Also, we don't have the millions of euros to pay his ridiculous wage. Same for Van Gaal. Might as well go for Guardiola while we're at it. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicol 2 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 it's not the coach , if the players are not good enough , they will never win nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 it's not the coach , if the players are not good enough , they will never win nothingIt's a bit of both I'm afraid. But it's true that we could do better tactically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicol 2 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 the coach is not on the pitch , the players yes and they don't play very well , it's not his fault Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 the coach is not on the pitch , the players yes and they don't play very well , it's not his faultOk, then just get Moyes in stead of Mourinho and save 5 million bucks. Or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicol 2 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 What does Mourinho do better than Wilmots ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 What does Mourinho do better than Wilmots ?Everything. Stingray, Yeboii and ZOS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray 9,441 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 it's not the coach , if the players are not good enough , they will never win nothingYou will never get the point. Reread the thread plz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belgiannutt 3,201 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 What does Mourinho do better than Wilmots ? Mourinho : ManagerialIn ten seasons of club management, Mourinho has led his club to win its domestic league seven times, the UEFA Champions League twice and the UEFA Cup once. Between 2003 and 2012, Mourinho did not go a single calendar year without winning at least one trophy. Porto (2002–2004)Primeira Liga: 2002–03, 2003–04Taça de Portugal: 2002–03Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2003UEFA Champions League: 2003–04UEFA Cup: 2002–03 Chelsea (2004–2007, 2013–)Premier League: 2004–05, 2005–06FA Cup: 2006–07Football League Cup: 2004–05, 2006–07, 2014–15 Internazionale (2008–2010)Serie A: 2008–09, 2009–10Coppa Italia: 2009–10Supercoppa Italiana: 2008UEFA Champions League: 2009–10 Real Madrid (2010–2013)La Liga: 2011–12Copa del Rey: 2010–11Supercopa de España: 2012IndividualOnze d'Or Coach of the Year: 2005, 2010FIFA World Coach of the Year: 2010IFFHS World's Best Club Coach: 2004, 2005, 2010, 2012Primeira Liga Manager of the Year: 2002–03, 2003–04Premier League Manager of the Year: 2004–05, 2005–06Premier League Manager of the Month: November 2004, January 2005, March 2007Serie A Manager of the Year: 2008–09, 2009–10Albo Panchina d'Oro: 2009–10Miguel Muñoz Trophy: 2010–11, 2011–12UEFA Manager of the Year: 2002–03, 2003–04UEFA Team of the Year: 2003, 2004, 2005, 2010World Soccer Magazine World Manager of the Year: 2004, 2005, 2010LPFP Awards Best Portuguese Manager in Foreign Countries: 2008–09, 2009–10BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 2005La Gazzetta dello Sport Man of the Year: 2010[165]International Sports Press Association Best Manager in the World: 2010[166]Prémio PrestÃgio Fernando Soromenho: 2012[167]Football Extravaganza's League of Legends (2011)[168]Wilmots : / RoyalBlues, kellzfresh, Roquila and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Well, he still sucked against PSG didn't he? kidding. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilvorak 3,734 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 He's a troll guys. Put him on ignore. RoyalBlues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mak 4,459 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Yeah, Hiddink is doing a wonderful job with Holland at the moment. He lost to Iceland, Czech Republic and almost to Turkey. And South Korea was practically guided to the semis. So many "errors" by the referees...You must be new here.... Fernando and kellzfresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnythefirst 1,076 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 You must be new here....Yeah, it doesn't matter what he did ten years ago. Right now he's doing a much worse job than Wilmots.Have you seen how they play? They were in the Semi Finals of the World Cup half a year ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicol 2 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Mourinhi has had better footballers than Wilmots . it's simple , each coach can do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicol 2 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 If Wilmots trains Real Madrid , he won the championship too or he 's second behind Barcelona . every coach can do that . it's not unbelievable . Mourinho is an human like Wilmots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iseah100 5,612 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 If Wilmots trains Real Madrid , he won the championship too or he 's second behind Barcelona . every coach can do that . it's not unbelievable . Mourinho is an human like WilmotsJeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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