The Official TC 'We don't hate Man City thread'

[bloody 209]

I'm not denying it helped. I said it catalysed us which it did. Your missing the point. Man City were fighting relegation and now just won a premier league. Prior to Abramovich coming we were in a Champions League semi-final and were 2nd in the league that year, with City being in the bottom five I think - go and check if you want. The money took us the next level where as it completely transformed City. Unfortunately everything takes a backseat to a paycheck and they are living proof that you can buy a league.

I'm not denying it helped. I said it catalysed us which it did. Your missing the point. Man City were fighting relegation and now just won a premier league. Prior to Abramovich coming we were in a Champions League semi-final and were 2nd in the league that year, with City being in the bottom five I think - go and check if you want. The money took us the next level where as it completely transformed City. Unfortunately everything takes a backseat to a paycheck and they are living proof that you can buy a league.

Yeah, at the very least Chelsea were winning trophies. Money has helped Chelsea to three Premier League Titles but money helped ManCity more.

Top 4 > Bottom 4

the money helped A LOT. without it, we're just another mid table club like tottenham.

oh, and so hypothetically there will be no complains from us chelsea fans if it was tottenham hotspur that was bought by the sheiks.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

the money helped A LOT. without it, we're just another mid table club like tottenham.

oh, and so hypothetically there will be no complains from us chelsea fans if it was tottenham hotspur that was bought by the sheiks.

haha no chance, our London rivalry effectively negates that. On a side note I didn't think I'd ever have to argue with a fellow Chelsea fan whether our success is solely down to the money.

[capriccioso 2,545]

I'm not denying it helped. I said it catalysed us which it did. Your missing the point. Man City were fighting relegation and now just won a premier league. Prior to Abramovich coming we were in a Champions League semi-final and were 2nd in the league that year, with City being in the bottom five I think - go and check if you want. The money took us the next level where as it completely transformed City. Unfortunately everything takes a backseat to a paycheck and they are living proof that you can buy a league.

We would not exist anymore. We were nearly liquidated in 2003, and probably would be in non-league football as AFC Chelsea or something today without Abramovich.

Also check your facts mate. Abramovich bought us in 2003, before we made CL semi-finals.

[capriccioso 2,545]

haha no chance, our London rivalry effectively negates that. On a side note I didn't think I'd ever have to argue with a fellow Chelsea fan whether our success is solely down to the money.

It obviously is. As I said before, we would not exist anymore. A club that doesn't exist can't succeed. None of us here can take the 'moral' high ground against Man City, at least they were not about to cease existence when their rich owner purchased them.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

It obviously is. As I said before, we would not exist anymore. A club that doesn't exist can't succeed.

We would exist. If Gronkjaer never scored that goal that qualified us for the Champions League then we'd be nonexistent.

[bloody 209]

We would not exist anymore. We were nearly liquidated in 2003, and probably would be in non-league football as AFC Chelsea or something today without Abramovich.

exactly.

sure, we could've been bought by another millionaire/billionaire but i doubt he'd be as generous as abramovich is with us.

just take a look at qpr's owners.

[TacticalBlues 2,817]

We would not exist anymore. We were nearly liquidated in 2003, and probably would be in non-league football as AFC Chelsea or something today without Abramovich.

Also check your facts mate. Abramovich bought us in 2003, before we made CL semi-finals.

He brought us but the squad didn't change instantly, so it doesn't make a difference on the playing side at all within that week. If he wasn't their we'd have still got their.

[capriccioso 2,545]

He brought us but the squad didn't change at all, so it doesn't make a difference on the playing side at all. If he wasn't their we'd have still got their.

Transfers in 2003:

Glen Johnson

Geremi

Wayne Bridge

Damien Duff

Joe Cole

Juan Sebastian Veron

Adrian Mutu

Alexei Smertin

Claude Makelele

Scott Parker

Total spending: 121,000,000; excluding 3 free transfers.

If that's not changing the squad at all, I don't know what is. That's virtually an entire team we bought:

Ambrosio (free transferred GK)

Johnson- CB-CB- Bridge

Veron-Makelele-Parker

Cole-Mutu-Duff

We could have lined up like that for a game and still had Smertin and Geremi on the bench.

[Spike 12,049]

This thread makes me hungry. To many 'what ifs' for Jake. Who cares what would have happened if Chelsea wasn't bought by Roman, he did; success came. Game over.

[zolayes 14,489]

He brought us but the squad didn't change at all, so it doesn't make a difference on the playing side at all. If he wasn't their we'd have still got their.

before Roman came in the vultures were circling to pick our best players . A fire sale was imminent . The club was saved by Trevor Birch being instrumental

in selling the Club to Roman

[capriccioso 2,545]

We would exist. If Gronkjaer never scored that goal that qualified us for the Champions League then we'd be nonexistent.

What were the debts? Around 100 million, right? I don't think the CL would have been enough to keep us afloat for longer than a couple of seasons. Even today a club with debt like that that they have to pay quickly would struggle just with CL football. I guess we could have raised enough by having a firesale as well, but then we'd probably be in Leed's shoes right now.

[bloody 209]

This thread makes me hungry. To many 'what ifs' for Jake. Who cares what would have happened if Chelsea wasn't bought by Roman, he did; success came was bought. Game over.

corrected.

[Spike 12,049]

corrected.

Every team buys success. It's just cost Chelse a lot and Manchester City a lot more.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Every team buys success. It's just cost Chelse a lot and Manchester City a lot more.

Every single football club except Celtic '67 has had a significant cash injection that led to their success. They got it at the perfect time for dominance- Real Madrid, for example, had all their debts underwritten by the Spanish goverment in the 50s which gave them what would be equal to billions today to play with. Let me say that again. Billions.

If Real or anyone else had it like that today, they would own every single decent player on the planet. The big clubs were the first ones to cheat with money. They can't take the moral high ground against us either.

What is immoral about spending big anyway? If you have it, you are damn well allowed to spend it however the fuck you want.

[bloody 209]

Every team buys success. It's just cost Chelse a lot and Manchester City a lot more.

yes, that's the reason why we shouldn't throw stones at man city or at any other club for it.

we hated it when man utd and other clubs fans did it to us several years ago.

[manpe 10,861]

What is exactly the point or purpose of this thread? It's titled "we don't hate man city" yet the discussion has inevitably gone on to who bought what and who hates who... I call bullshit on this one.

The "We (don't) hate blablah" threads should be kept at minimum, so they wouldn't lose their meanings. Poolshit deserve their thread, Spuds deserve theirs, Arsenal more or less... but before creating any more, I think "we hate man united" thread would be ahead in the queue.

[Spike 12,049]

Every single football club except Celtic '67 has had a significant cash injection that led to their success. They got it at the perfect time for dominance- Real Madrid, for example, had all their debts underwritten by the Spanish goverment in the 50s which gave them what would be equal to billions today to play with. Let me say that again. Billions.

If Real or anyone else had it like that today, they would own every single decent player on the planet. The big clubs were the first ones to cheat with money. They can't take the moral high ground against us either.

What is immoral about spending big anyway? If you have it, you are damn well allowed to spend it however the fuck you want.

And yet Atlético Madrid was Franco's favourite team. He only pumped the cash into Real Madrid after the early European success.

[capriccioso 2,545]

Yeah, it was a big mistake on my part to put the label TC on this. It was wrong of me to generalise for all of you and I apologise, but the point remains, unless Man City the club or its fans have personally done something to you, like getting smashed by ultras or being denied a ticket by the club, I can't see a legitimate reason for anyone supporting Chelsea and hating Man City other than petty tribalism.