We Hate Scouse 10,326 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 It obviously is. As I said before, we would not exist anymore. A club that doesn't exist can't succeed.We would exist. If Gronkjaer never scored that goal that qualified us for the Champions League then we'd be nonexistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloody 209 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 We would not exist anymore. We were nearly liquidated in 2003, and probably would be in non-league football as AFC Chelsea or something today without Abramovich.exactly.sure, we could've been bought by another millionaire/billionaire but i doubt he'd be as generous as abramovich is with us.just take a look at qpr's owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 We would not exist anymore. We were nearly liquidated in 2003, and probably would be in non-league football as AFC Chelsea or something today without Abramovich.Also check your facts mate. Abramovich bought us in 2003, before we made CL semi-finals.He brought us but the squad didn't change instantly, so it doesn't make a difference on the playing side at all within that week. If he wasn't their we'd have still got their. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 He brought us but the squad didn't change at all, so it doesn't make a difference on the playing side at all. If he wasn't their we'd have still got their.Transfers in 2003:Glen JohnsonGeremiWayne BridgeDamien DuffJoe ColeJuan Sebastian VeronAdrian MutuAlexei SmertinClaude MakeleleScott ParkerTotal spending: 121,000,000; excluding 3 free transfers.If that's not changing the squad at all, I don't know what is. That's virtually an entire team we bought:Ambrosio (free transferred GK)Johnson- CB-CB- BridgeVeron-Makelele-ParkerCole-Mutu-DuffWe could have lined up like that for a game and still had Smertin and Geremi on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 This thread makes me hungry. To many 'what ifs' for Jake. Who cares what would have happened if Chelsea wasn't bought by Roman, he did; success came. Game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zolayes 14,489 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 He brought us but the squad didn't change at all, so it doesn't make a difference on the playing side at all. If he wasn't their we'd have still got their.before Roman came in the vultures were circling to pick our best players . A fire sale was imminent . The club was saved by Trevor Birch being instrumentalin selling the Club to Roman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 We would exist. If Gronkjaer never scored that goal that qualified us for the Champions League then we'd be nonexistent.What were the debts? Around 100 million, right? I don't think the CL would have been enough to keep us afloat for longer than a couple of seasons. Even today a club with debt like that that they have to pay quickly would struggle just with CL football. I guess we could have raised enough by having a firesale as well, but then we'd probably be in Leed's shoes right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloody 209 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 This thread makes me hungry. To many 'what ifs' for Jake. Who cares what would have happened if Chelsea wasn't bought by Roman, he did; success came was bought. Game over.corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 corrected. Every team buys success. It's just cost Chelse a lot and Manchester City a lot more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 Every team buys success. It's just cost Chelse a lot and Manchester City a lot more.Every single football club except Celtic '67 has had a significant cash injection that led to their success. They got it at the perfect time for dominance- Real Madrid, for example, had all their debts underwritten by the Spanish goverment in the 50s which gave them what would be equal to billions today to play with. Let me say that again. Billions. If Real or anyone else had it like that today, they would own every single decent player on the planet. The big clubs were the first ones to cheat with money. They can't take the moral high ground against us either.What is immoral about spending big anyway? If you have it, you are damn well allowed to spend it however the fuck you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloody 209 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Every team buys success. It's just cost Chelse a lot and Manchester City a lot more.yes, that's the reason why we shouldn't throw stones at man city or at any other club for it.we hated it when man utd and other clubs fans did it to us several years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manpe 10,861 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 What is exactly the point or purpose of this thread? It's titled "we don't hate man city" yet the discussion has inevitably gone on to who bought what and who hates who... I call bullshit on this one.The "We (don't) hate blablah" threads should be kept at minimum, so they wouldn't lose their meanings. Poolshit deserve their thread, Spuds deserve theirs, Arsenal more or less... but before creating any more, I think "we hate man united" thread would be ahead in the queue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike 12,049 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Every single football club except Celtic '67 has had a significant cash injection that led to their success. They got it at the perfect time for dominance- Real Madrid, for example, had all their debts underwritten by the Spanish goverment in the 50s which gave them what would be equal to billions today to play with. Let me say that again. Billions.If Real or anyone else had it like that today, they would own every single decent player on the planet. The big clubs were the first ones to cheat with money. They can't take the moral high ground against us either.What is immoral about spending big anyway? If you have it, you are damn well allowed to spend it however the fuck you want.And yet Atlético Madrid was Franco's favourite team. He only pumped the cash into Real Madrid after the early European success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 Yeah, it was a big mistake on my part to put the label TC on this. It was wrong of me to generalise for all of you and I apologise, but the point remains, unless Man City the club or its fans have personally done something to you, like getting smashed by ultras or being denied a ticket by the club, I can't see a legitimate reason for anyone supporting Chelsea and hating Man City other than petty tribalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 And yet Atlético Madrid was Franco's favourite team. He only pumped the cash into Real Madrid after the early European success.He still didn't like Real, he just saw them as an effective PR tool. Good football team means everything in the countries sunny as well, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kojo 4,676 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 I know, most of them on that thread want Bayern to win, i don't get your point.And some fool said i want Bayern to win so we can say we beat the Champions.Lmao, yeah you beat a Bayern reserve side with no Schwienstieger, Robben, Ribbery, Gomez, Lahm pretty much all there best players. Because they already qualfieid for first they wernt really arsed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 I know, most of them on that thread want Bayern to win, i don't get your point.And some fool said i want Bayern to win so we can say we beat the Champions.Lmao, yeah you beat a Bayern reserve side with no Schwienstieger, Robben, Ribbery, Gomez, Lahm pretty much all there best players. Because they already qualfieid for first they wernt really arsed.Time to settle this claim once and for all:From the 51 posts in that thread:24 supported Chelsea- 52.17391304347826%15 supported Bayern- 32.60869565217391%7 were neutral- 15.21739130434783%And there were a few rambling posts that didn't discuss the match at all.Enough of this most of them shit. Only one guy actually expressed hate for us, the rest principally didn't want us to win because they were afraid that it'll make us a bigger threat to them, didn't like John Terry, had put money on Bayern to win, or wanted City to win it before we did. Go look at any of the other sites I linked, it would be more like 99% Bayern and 1% Chelsea, except perhaps Redcafe which might be 95/5.By contrast, Liverpool, Arsenal, Man United, Tottenham, Barcelona, most of the rest of the footballing world don't want us to win because we're all dirty disrespectful glory hunting plastic chavs who bought all of Europe and were a mid table League Two club before Roman bought us and every one of us dirty chavs booed the minutes silence. And Bayern Munich are loved because they have 'history' and are playing dirty chavvy John Terry that racist scum and that diving cunt Didier Drogba and fat Frank Lampard and Ca$hley Cole and their fans aren't chavs.At least the posters who don't want us to win have by and large semi-sensible reasons for doing so rather than blind hatred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TacticalBlues 2,817 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Time to settle this claim once and for all:From the 51 posts in that thread:24 supported Chelsea- 52.17391304347826%15 supported Bayern- 32.60869565217391%7 were neutral- 15.21739130434783%And there were a few rambling posts that didn't discuss the match at all.Go look at any of the other sites I linked, it would be more like 99% Bayern and 1% Chelsea, except perhaps Redcafe which might be 95/5.Yeh I agree with Sloth, you've had Arsenal fans like Jack Wilshere and Piers Morgan - who probably don't like us much, wanting us to win because Tottenham will get knocked out too. Everyone has their personal preferences but notice how many posters on their forums who are rooting for Chelsea because they hate Tottenham It's English v Germans so there will be a few patriotic reasons too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccioso 2,545 Posted May 16, 2012 Author Share Posted May 16, 2012 Yeh but I agree with Sloth, you've had Arsenal fans like Jack Wilshere and Piers Morgan - who probably don't like us much, wanting us to win because Tottenham will get knocked out too. Everyone has their personal preferences but notice how many posters on their forums who are rooting for Chelsea because they hate Tottenham It's English v Germans so their will be a few patriotic reasons too.Arsenal hate Tottenham but ArsenalMania is going along the lines of "Can't let plastic gloryhunting chavs win CL before we do. Even if that means Yid's in the CL next year". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krypt 241 Posted May 16, 2012 Share Posted May 16, 2012 Arsenal hate Tottenham but ArsenalMania is going along the lines of "Can't let plastic gloryhunting chavs win CL before we do. Even if that means Yid's in the CL next year".I doubt any London supporting fans will want us to win as we will be the first in London to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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