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[Clockwork 1,794]

I am not sure how can anyone say Israel aggression and expansion of settlements is not the problem. Look at George W Bush and Colin Powell statements in the past, how critical they were of Israel aggressive policy. For today standard they would be considered terrorist sympathizers, few on the Palestine cause would even go as far as they go. US, UK, and others have gone so far lopsided on the issue and have enabled Israel atrocities. 

 

[Clockwork 1,794]

Imagine being such a monster at 70 years old stabbing a 6 year old to death. 

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

8 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Sorry, but I cannot agree with the "led" bit. I'm not sure there is equivalence here.

The author of the article you pasted above is also fairly controversial; there are several complaints regarding misinformation esp around "civilian" casualties. Terrorists are known to blur the lines between military and civilian targets.

And again, I'm not saying she is wrong, but suggesting that she may have a particular point of view, which is hard to avoid here.

The statistics can easily be verified via the UN rather than corporate, and in many cases zionist dominated media. Hardly think they lie, being a largely US led institution. Agree terrorist states blur the lines between civilian and military targets. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

You know the world's a crazy place when, British and Americans are discussing other country's and who's worse for murdering thousands of innocent lives. 🤦

Edited October 17, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

 

[cosmicway 1,333]

3 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

 

I don't propose that Belgium should make an apartheid state against muslims, but suppose they knew all the Abdesalem Al Guilanis who live in Belgium and are members of Isis.
Should they make an "apartheid state" against them or not ?

[Fernando 6,585]

7 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

You know the world's a crazy place when, British and Americans are discussing other country's and who's worse for murdering thousands of innocent lives. 🤦

Yes because American and Brittan has done worse. Australia with aboriginals and on and on and on. 

Look at what we did to the Native Americans, British in other parts of the world when they where super power. 

In the end it's all about the love of money. It's what drive all craziness. If Israel and Gaza where to go extinct in some disaster, years later we would have something similar somewhere else. Money, the love of money is the root of all evil and that's something humans can't fight. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

38 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Yes because American and Brittan has done worse. Australia with aboriginals and on and on and on. 

Look at what we did to the Native Americans, British in other parts of the world when they where super power. 

In the end it's all about the love of money. It's what drive all craziness. If Israel and Gaza where to go extinct in some disaster, years later we would have something similar somewhere else. Money, the love of money is the root of all evil and that's something humans can't fight. 

Money makes the world go round, but it will also be the reason it stops.

[robsblubot 3,595]

9 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

The statistics can easily be verified via the UN rather than corporate, and in many cases zionist dominated media. Hardly think they lie, being a largely US led institution. Agree terrorist states blur the lines between civilian and military targets. 

Agree to disagree on that one. Leaving specific options aside, statistics without context can be very misleading just like in Football. That happens  not in in offense, but also defense.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

58 minutes ago, robsblubot said:

Agree to disagree on that one. Leaving specific options aside, statistics without context can be very misleading just like in Football. That happens  not in in offense, but also defense.

Like you said because you worked there ''my opinion is very biased''. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. I tend to believe the United Nations figures, backed up by the fact  Israel have broken more UN Resolutions than all other countries together.  Iraq broke two UN resolutions and got bombed back to the stone age, invaded, with 295 000 killed, resources, oil, pillaged, with up to 576 000 children dying due to sanctions, (again UN figures.) 

Israel has broken 65 UN resolutions in recent years, it just shows where US and UK interests lie.

[Fernando 6,585]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Like you said because you worked there ''my opinion is very biased''. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. I tend to believe the United Nations figures, backed up by the fact  Israel have broken more UN Resolutions than all other countries together.  Iraq broke two UN resolutions and got bombed back to the stone age, invaded, with 295 000 killed, resources, oil, pillaged, with up to 576 000 children dying due to sanctions, (again UN figures.) 

Israel has broken 65 UN resolutions in recent years, it just shows where US and UK interests lie.

That is for real? How is it possible that's on that list and you had countries like El Salvador being murder capital for many years until Nayeli came in...that's so weird. 

[robsblubot 3,595]

1 hour ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Like you said because you worked there ''my opinion is very biased''. Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree. I tend to believe the United Nations figures, backed up by the fact  Israel have broken more UN Resolutions than all other countries together.  Iraq broke two UN resolutions and got bombed back to the stone age, invaded, with 295 000 killed, resources, oil, pillaged, with up to 576 000 children dying due to sanctions, (again UN figures.) 

Israel has broken 65 UN resolutions in recent years, it just shows where US and UK interests lie.

Yup that's not the reason Iraq was bombed/invaded, and it was very clear from the beginning (easier to just follow the money on that one). Don't think US cares one bit about UN too.

Regardless my admitted bias, I also have a hard time with terrorism in general. The whole idea of targeting enemy civilians, then go hide among your own civilians as human shields is beyond deplorable.

Edited October 17, 2023 by robsblubot

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

21 minutes ago, Fernando said:

That is for real? How is it possible that's on that list and you had countries like El Salvador being murder capital for many years until Nayeli came in...that's so weird. 

Yup. The United Nations has passed several resolutions that have been critical of Israel’s actions. The General Assembly passed 15 anti-Israel resolutions in 2022, compared to 13 resolutions criticizing other countries Since 2015, the General Assembly has adopted 140 resolutions criticizing Israel, mainly over its treatment of the Palestinians, its relationships with neighboring countries and other alleged wrongdoings. The US has vetoed dozens of United Nations Security Council (UNSC) resolutions critical of Israel, including at least 53 since 1972, according to UN data.  I think this is because Israel is a strategic sattelite for the US in Middle East, so can do no wrong

[Clockwork 1,794]

Do terrorist use civilians as human child? Yes sometimes, often though it is a gross oversimplification. terrorist live among among civilians. It is not like they have a terrorist on their forehead  and everyone is aware of it, or are the terrorist are secluding themselves. 

Target terrorist, the vast majority support that. The issue is targeting them without considering the human casualty. Israel has also used white phosphorus in recent days which is against International law.

[Fulham Broadway 17,299]

Would have thought cutting off water, food and electricity, for two and a half million people, bombing schools and a hospital tonight killing over 500 civilians was the actions of Terrorists. Oh no its ok its Israel doing it.