Politics & Stuff

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

On 20/09/2023 at 01:48, Thor said:

Oh okay. Well I don't vote for either right or left - so I don't care about what is seen as what. 

There are pros and cons with both types of systems. 

Something will always fall to the wayside no matter which one is employed. I think it also depends on the cultural aspect of the country. I think a Nordic system works well over where it is. In Australia though, people take the piss too much, and too many lazy bastards who don't want to work and find any excuse to blame. 

The reality is - there is no one size fits all. Leaders should be far more analytical and look historically what has worked best for their countries. But often times its all about perception and getting whatever it is that is the narrative passed through as a bill, etc. 

Sign me up to what ever side puts a stop to biological males competing in female sports 👍

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55 minutes ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Sign me up to what ever side puts a stop to biological males competing in female sports 👍

What is the solution here? Would people be OK with biological males who are now trans competing in men's sports?

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50 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

What is the solution here? Would people be OK with biological males who are now trans competing in men's sports?

Why not ? They’d probably suck but that’s their choice 

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1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

What is the solution here? Would people be OK with biological males who are now trans competing in men's sports?

yeah that's not the problem. The problem is mediocre male athletes competing among women as trans. The division exists so we can celebrate exceptional athletes on both sides.

That's one of the very few issues I fully agree with the right.

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

1 hour ago, MoroccanBlue said:

What is the solution here? Would people be OK with biological males who are now trans competing in men's sports?

Yes because they are biological males, I'd rather they compete with the blokes rather than walk into woman's weightlifting and smash the record by over 100kg..... 

Let's not beat around the bush here, half these male athletes start to identify as a women for the sole purpose of becoming successful in the sport they trained there whole life for, didn't make it in the male ranks, yet seem to smash every record in the female sports, then to top it off you have feminists backing the idea of letting biological men compete it women's sport, yes well done you have allowed men into the sport, they have smashed every record and are now stopping females being able to win at there own sport, but hey ho, keep fighting the good equal rights fight.....🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 

Edited October 2, 2023 by YorkshireBlue

[MoroccanBlue 5,375]

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Yes because they are biological males, I'd rather they compete with the blokes rather than walk into woman's weightlifting and smash the record by over 100kg..... 

Let's not beat around the bush here, half these male athletes start to identify as a women for the sole purpose of becoming successful in the sport they trained there whole life for, didn't make it in the male ranks, yet seem to smash every record in the female sports, then to top it off you have feminists backing the idea of letting biological men compete it women's sport, yes well done you have allowed men into the sport, they have smashed every record and are now stopping females being able to win at there own sport, but hey ho, keep fighting the good equal rights fight.....🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 

 

1 hour ago, robsblubot said:

yeah that's not the problem. The problem is mediocre male athletes competing among women as trans. The division exists so we can celebrate exceptional athletes on both sides.

That's one of the very few issues I fully agree with the right.

 

1 hour ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Yes because they are biological males, I'd rather they compete with the blokes rather than walk into woman's weightlifting and smash the record by over 100kg..... 

Let's not beat around the bush here, half these male athletes start to identify as a women for the sole purpose of becoming successful in the sport they trained there whole life for, didn't make it in the male ranks, yet seem to smash every record in the female sports, then to top it off you have feminists backing the idea of letting biological men compete it women's sport, yes well done you have allowed men into the sport, they have smashed every record and are now stopping females being able to win at there own sport, but hey ho, keep fighting the good equal rights fight.....🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦 

I don't disagree with either of you (considering we are talking about 3-5% of the world population).

Just wondering what the reactions will be for example when an 18 year old boy is wrestling against an 18 year old boy who's gone under hormone therapy and has breasts. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,264]

32 minutes ago, MoroccanBlue said:

 

 

I don't disagree with either of you (considering we are talking about 3-5% of the world population).

Just wondering what the reactions will be for example when an 18 year old boy is wrestling against an 18 year old boy who's gone under hormone therapy and has breasts. 

Exactly the same as what happens when an 18 year old boy who just identifys as a girl without surgery or hormone Therapy wrestling a 18 year old girl.

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Kevin McCarthy becomes the first Speaker of the US House of Representatives to ever to be ousted from the job in American history

https://apnews.com/article/mccarthy-gaetz-speaker-motion-to-vacate-congress-327e294a39f8de079ef5e4abfb1fa555

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2nd in Line to the Presidency (after the VP), and the 2nd most powerful position in the US government

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the US is going off the rails

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Trump’s Fraud Trial Starts With Attacks on Attorney General and Judge

Donald J. Trump appeared in court as lawyers for New York’s attorney general, Letitia James, painted him as a fraudster. His lawyers said she was out to get the former president.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/02/nyregion/trump-fraud-trial-letitia-james.html

 

Judge issues gag order after Trump’s comments on court clerk in civil trial

The second day of Trump’s trial got off to another combative start after Trump branded the case a ‘fraud’ and ‘scam’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/03/trump-new-york-fraud-trial-update

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Sunak sparks Tory civil war with scrapping of HS2 Manchester leg

Tory leader’s attempt to portray himself as change candidate at party conference overshadowed by fierce criticism of U-turn

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/oct/04/sunak-sparks-tory-civil-war-with-scrapping-of-hs2-manchester-leg

Rishi Sunak unleashed a Tory civil war on Wednesday by announcing the scrapping of the northern leg of HS2 as the former prime minister David Cameron said the decision showed the country was heading in the wrong direction.

After days of frenzied speculation over the future of the flagship levelling-up project, Sunak confirmed he was axing the Birmingham to Manchester line and would use the £36bn of savings to fund a number of other transport schemes, described as “Network North”.

Cameron led a torrent of criticism of the announcement, which it emerged was made without consulting the cabinet, parliament, local councils or Network Rail, saying it passed up a once-in-a-generation opportunity.

“It will help to fuel the views of those who argue that we can no longer think or act for the long-term as a country; that we are heading in the wrong direction,” he warned.

Cameron said the announcement threw away “15 years of cross-party consensus, sustained over six administrations, and would make it much harder to build consensus for any future long-term projects”.

However, Sunak told Tory activists in Manchester that he was focused on the long term as he presented himself – the fifth Tory prime minister in 13 unbroken years of the party’s rule – as the change candidate at the next election.

“At the next election the choice that people face is bigger than party politics,” he said.

“Do we want a government committed to making long-term decisions, prepared to be radical in the face of challenges and to take on vested interests, or do we want to stand still and quietly accept more of the same?

“You either think this country needs to change, or you don’t. And if you do, you should stand with me and every person in this hall, you should stand with the Conservatives.”

He directly challenged critics of his HS2 plans including former prime ministers Boris Johnson and Theresa May, as well as the West Midlands mayor, Andy Street, who pulled back from the brink of quitting the Tory party.

“I say to those who backed the project in the first place, the facts have changed. The right thing to do when the facts change is to have the courage to change direction,” he said.

Cameron was joined by Johnson, who replied to his post on X, formerly known as Twitter, criticising the announcement simply with: “I agree.”

Sunak was accused of the “biggest and most damaging U-turn in the history of UK infrastructure” by the rail industry despite a promise to divert funds into transport schemes in the Midlands and north, including some already under way, as well as projects previously paused or cancelled by the government.

Sunak had insisted all week that no final decision had been made on scrapping the Manchester leg. However, he later posted a video online – outlining why he had made the decision – that had been recorded in No 10 at least three days before the conference.

In an hour-long speech that was introduced by Akshata Murty – the first political spouse to do so since Sarah Brown introduced Gordon in 2009, the year before he lost power – Sunak announced just two policies that were entirely new.

One was a major change to secondary school qualifications bringing together A-levels and T-levels to create a new “Advanced British Standard”, which will involve students covering more subjects. However, it will take more than a decade to introduce.

The bonus for new teachers in key subjects such as science and maths, where there is a recruitment and retention crisis, will be doubled to up to £30,000 over the first five years of their career to encourage them to stay on. No 10 could not say where the £600m to pay for it would come from.

Sunak also confirmed a plan, first revealed by the Guardian, to in effect phase out smoking by raising the legal age to buy cigarettes by one year every year, meaning a 14-year-old today will never legally be able to buy them. He pledged to restrict the availability of vapes to children.

Downing Street could not say when a free vote on the crackdown on buying cigarettes would be held, but the prime minister’s press secretary said: “Rishi Sunak is a man in a hurry.” Liz Truss has said she would vote against the plans, in a sign of a further Tory split.

Sunak’s speech was peppered with references to the future. However, Sunak glossed over the Tories’ 13 years in power and Truss’s disastrous 49-day premiership in particular. “I came into office in difficult circumstances, and I don’t want to waste time debating the past because what matters is the future,” he said.

Despite speculation that Sunak could offer tax cuts before the election, as Tory MPs have repeatedly urged him to do, he refused to do so in his speech. “I know you want tax cuts, I want them too – and we will deliver them,” he said. “But the best tax cut we can give people right now is to halve inflation and ease the cost of living.”

The speech otherwise stuck to largely familiar Conservative themes such as immigration, crime, the unions and the benefits system, in addition to a section on culture wars that included a strong attack on trans rights.

“We shouldn’t be bullied into thinking people can be any sex they want to be. A man is a man and a woman is a woman and that’s just common sense,” he said.

Sunak told the Tory right, who have been urging withdrawal from the European convention on human rights, that while he was “confident” his hardline Rwanda policy would not breach international law, he would do “whatever is necessary” to stop Channel crossings.

The European Political Community meets in Spain on Thursday, where Sunak will co-chair an event with Italy’s hardline leader, Giorgia Meloni, on illegal migration. The two prime ministers are expected to call for more coordinated action.

Cabinet minister Penny Mordaunt gave Sunak’s warm-up speech, framing the battle against Labour as a return to the 1980s.

She paid tribute to Tory former cabinet minister Norman Tebbit and described Labour as “the sons and daughters of [Arthur] Scargill”, adding: “They want to return us to the 1980s. We are not for returning.”

She concluded by channelling US senator John McCain’s 2008 Republican presidential nomination acceptance speech to “stand up, stand up, stand up and fight”. McCain later lost the US election to Barack Obama.

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the room next door - Penny Mordaunt

 

Michael Spicer does his usual incomparable turn as a backroom spin doctor responding via radio link to a politician's burblings, this time based on Mordaunt's gobsmacking Tory Party Conference speech. Spicer's input is satirical, Mordaunt was apparently deadly serious.

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Israel FAFO'd

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Gaza to be turned into dust soon.