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[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

  On 07/05/2024 at 13:41, Fulham Broadway said:

Mate when they went into Gaza in 2012 ? shooting pregnant mothers, this forum had quite a few members outraged, suddenly the forum also became awash with Isareli supporting trolls. They obviously dont think this forum is big enough to worry about now they have nearly all governments and corporate media subservient.

Zuckerbergs Facebook, deleted the page of the popular Palestinian news website, the Palestinian Information Center (PIC). This act, which was carried out without even contacting the page administrators, confirms that Facebook’s war on pro-Palestine voices is continuing unabated. PIC had over five million followers

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I remember both events.

I do think we might have had some visibility because we used to have quite a few Israeli posters here. xXpetrCechxX is(or was) serving in the military if I remember correctly. Its quite easy to get people to farm ideas though. Especially when there are quite a few poor people they have access to.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

  On 07/05/2024 at 14:01, cosmicway said:

Well, as it happens, Monday morning I 'm going to stand trial accused by the neonazis (Golden Dawn) for calling them "assault battalions" on the internet.
This one took a long time to reach the chambers because of the covid situations.
They were "assault battalions" of course and their leadership is now in jail because of it, but nevertheless the public prosecutors saw it fit that I should appear on the dock.
Wish me luck please, because from Israel-Mossad-Netaniahu they did not send me a single euro for the legal expenses.
Or if you have the ear of Israel please do something.

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Radicalism happens when the state has failed.

 

If youth had jobs Golden Dawn wouldn't have to spend the time sending you to trial over words.

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 07/05/2024 at 14:50, Sir Mikel OBE said:

Radicalism happens when the state has failed.

 

If youth had jobs Golden Dawn wouldn't have to spend the time sending you to trial over words.

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They actually do have jobs.
Unemployment is around 10% - about the same as before the economic crisis of 2010 although it reached a peak of 17%-19% in 2014.
The victims and the intended victims of the crisis are the middle classes and the self employed, not the workforce.
Those dawnie characters have nothing to do with unemployment.
They descent from the old junta and as long as the Soviet Union was around they used to vote tactically for the main conservative party, the New Democracy.
They were doing this to oppose the perceived as fellow traveling socialists.
But now they don't care about such things and have returned to their old fascist ways.
At least everyone I know from among those is of this type.
Re. extreme right it's the same thing all over Europe and the same story.
Of course they are also antisemitic as they come ("kill a Jew today" they used to shout - it was part of their oath to the party).
About Arabs ? Well it does n't go down well with them to root for people who are blackies so I don't hear them often talking about the Israel-Pals situation.
But Mussolini was in the same mind as them back in the war - he prevented Hitler from turning the muslim SS against the British in Africa because "they were muslims and blackies".


 

[Vesper 29,448]

Protecting and serving

[YorkshireBlue 3,175]

  On 06/05/2024 at 19:37, robsblubot said:

heh I think fewer by the year. Never understood what was so mysterious about how we completely disrupt the carbon cycle... 🤷‍♂️
thought the hint was in the name, "fossil" fuels.

I read that by now it's just too late, and impractical, to tackle the issue by reducing the carbon footprint. The solution will have to come from tech or we will just have to adapt to the new norm... perhaps both.

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Or we accept the planet weather system has changed countless times over and over again and did so before fossil fuels, can't remember any cars and power plants running when the planet froze over, every one is guessing and has been for years.

[robsblubot 3,595]

  On 07/05/2024 at 16:59, YorkshireBlue said:

Or we accept the planet weather system has changed countless times over and over again and did so before fossil fuels, can't remember any cars and power plants running when the planet froze over, every one is guessing and has been for years.

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The assumption that because humans were not responsible on that particular occasion, they could not be responsible today makes no sense to me.
The events may likely be completely unrelated; we have no evidence suggesting that they are similar, or the same event.

[Sir Mikel OBE 4,920]

  On 07/05/2024 at 16:03, cosmicway said:

They actually do have jobs.
Unemployment is around 10% - about the same as before the economic crisis of 2010 although it reached a peak of 17%-19% in 2014.
The victims and the intended victims of the crisis are the middle classes and the self employed, not the workforce.
Those dawnie characters have nothing to do with unemployment.
They descent from the old junta and as long as the Soviet Union was around they used to vote tactically for the main conservative party, the New Democracy.
They were doing this to oppose the perceived as fellow traveling socialists.
But now they don't care about such things and have returned to their old fascist ways.
At least everyone I know from among those is of this type.
Re. extreme right it's the same thing all over Europe and the same story.
Of course they are also antisemitic as they come ("kill a Jew today" they used to shout - it was part of their oath to the party).
About Arabs ? Well it does n't go down well with them to root for people who are blackies so I don't hear them often talking about the Israel-Pals situation.
But Mussolini was in the same mind as them back in the war - he prevented Hitler from turning the muslim SS against the British in Africa because "they were muslims and blackies".


 

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A BS tourism job where you serve drinks to a kid your age from the UK, who takes your girlfriend out back and bangs her while you work, isnt a job that inspires Greek Youth. Its the same way in Spain, and closer to home, Jamaica and the vast majority of the Caribbean.

 

There's a reason why kids leave for educational(and opportunity) opportunity you know that. When I visited Germany for work even in 2018 during the "improvement" every greek person there had left home because there was nothing there for them.

[YorkshireBlue 3,175]

  On 07/05/2024 at 17:25, robsblubot said:

The assumption that because humans were not responsible on that particular occasion, they could not be responsible today makes no sense to me.
The events may likely be completely unrelated; we have no evidence suggesting that they are similar, or the same event.

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We also have no evidence they are not, and it's not just one event, the weather system has changed so much pre humans and changed alot after aswell, the idea that driving a non petrol car and use an electric car to save the planet is also crazy, where do these people think this electric is coming from? Green pixie fairies, I won't even get into the mining of lithium 

[robsblubot 3,595]

  On 07/05/2024 at 17:39, YorkshireBlue said:

We also have no evidence they are not, and it's not just one event, the weather system has changed so much pre humans and changed alot after aswell, the idea that driving a non petrol car and use an electric car to save the planet is also crazy, where do these people think this electric is coming from? Green pixie fairies, I won't even get into the mining of lithium 

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We do have TONS of evidence pointing to a man-made effect on climate.
The natural process of converting carbon into fossil fuels takes millions of years, and all that accumulated energy is being released by us all at once (immediately in earth years). I do tend to trust the opinions of experts, and right now they are saying this action is having an effect. 🤷‍♂️

I agree with the second part tho; the proposed solutions so far are laughable at best. Perhaps some form of efficient carbon sequestration will become available soon?

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 07/05/2024 at 17:26, Sir Mikel OBE said:

A BS tourism job where you serve drinks to a kid your age from the UK, who takes your girlfriend out back and bangs her while you work, isnt a job that inspires Greek Youth. Its the same way in Spain, and closer to home, Jamaica and the vast majority of the Caribbean.

 

There's a reason why kids leave for educational(and opportunity) opportunity you know that. When I visited Germany for work even in 2018 during the "improvement" every greek person there had left home because there was nothing there for them.

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Not unnatural for them to go to Germany.
Greece is hardly the centre of things for such people.
We do not have a NASA or a CEA CERN or a Cavendish Laboratory in the GR.
Only roasted lambs and fish.
As for girlfriends being gang banged, it's their job - leave them.
But don't knock the pizza men. They make good money. I go sometimes to the old centre and I don't recognize it. Used to be pitch dark in the evenings but it's pubs everywhere.

With this economic crisis then the objective was to kill the middle class. Not the various pizza vendors, pizza deliverers, other workers.
The socialists started this back in 1993.
There was daily propaganda about the ... doctors of Kolonaki (n.b. the posh district) who were supposedly not paying taxes.
But why them and not the doctors in the working class neighbourhoods - mystery.
Then they taxed the ... poor sponge divers in the islands and the chestnut vendors !
After this we gradually moved into economic crisis years. Again the ... Kolonaki doctors on the tv.
I said "hey that crap was 15 years ago and you are not even changing the words", but in vain.
One of those doctors, right in the middle of Kolonaki, saved my life when I was a kid, but that's another story.
But them doctors are doing alright, thank you very much - it was the open air vendors of kites for clean Monday who were arrested for ... not paying taxes.

Anyway, perhaps I 'm a minority of one.
The commies are seemingly more worried about the ... windmills in the mountains producing aeolic power.
One -who did n't know me well- invited me to a such demo.
Of course I said no, but during this demo they smashed all the windows of Ermou street.
None was left standing and Ermou street is the commercial street with the boutiques - the Carnaby street of Athens.

[robsblubot 3,595]

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

• While Earth’s climate has changed throughout its history, the current warming is happening at a rate not seen in the past 10,000 years.
• According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), "Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."¹
• Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate.
• From global temperature rise to melting ice sheets, the evidence of a warming planet abounds.

 

[NikkiCFC 8,122]

  On 07/05/2024 at 17:26, Sir Mikel OBE said:

A BS tourism job where you serve drinks to a kid your age from the UK, who takes your girlfriend out back and bangs her while you work, isnt a job that inspires Greek Youth. Its the same way in Spain, and closer to home, Jamaica and the vast majority of the Caribbean.

 

There's a reason why kids leave for educational(and opportunity) opportunity you know that. When I visited Germany for work even in 2018 during the "improvement" every greek person there had left home because there was nothing there for them.

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  On 07/05/2024 at 18:32, cosmicway said:

Not unnatural for them to go to Germany.
Greece is hardly the centre of things for such people.
We do not have a NASA or a CEA CERN or a Cavendish Laboratory in the GR.
Only roasted lambs and fish.
As for girlfriends being gang banged, it's their job - leave them.
But don't knock the pizza men. They make good money. I go sometimes to the old centre and I don't recognize it. Used to be pitch dark in the evenings but it's pubs everywhere.

With this economic crisis then the objective was to kill the middle class. Not the various pizza vendors, pizza deliverers, other workers.
The socialists started this back in 1993.
There was daily propaganda about the ... doctors of Kolonaki (n.b. the posh district) who were supposedly not paying taxes.
But why them and not the doctors in the working class neighbourhoods - mystery.
Then they taxed the ... poor sponge divers in the islands and the chestnut vendors !
After this we gradually moved into economic crisis years. Again the ... Kolonaki doctors on the tv.
I said "hey that crap was 15 years ago and you are not even changing the words", but in vain.
One of those doctors, right in the middle of Kolonaki, saved my life when I was a kid, but that's another story.
But them doctors are doing alright, thank you very much - it was the open air vendors of kites for clean Monday who were arrested for ... not paying taxes.

Anyway, perhaps I 'm a minority of one.
The commies are seemingly more worried about the ... windmills in the mountains producing aeolic power.
One -who did n't know me well- invited me to a such demo.
Of course I said no, but during this demo they smashed all the windows of Ermou street.
None was left standing and Ermou street is the commercial street with the boutiques - the Carnaby street of Athens.

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Been to Greece many times. Thessaloniki, Athens and many islands. Greeks always had reputation they don't like/want to work. And rightly so. My impression is that half population have some property by the sea they are renting in the summer and make enough money so they don't have to work in the winter. 

[YorkshireBlue 3,175]

  On 07/05/2024 at 18:32, robsblubot said:

We do have TONS of evidence pointing to a man-made effect on climate.
The natural process of converting carbon into fossil fuels takes millions of years, and all that accumulated energy is being released by us all at once (immediately in earth years). I do tend to trust the opinions of experts, and right now they are saying this action is having an effect. 🤷‍♂️

I agree with the second part tho; the proposed solutions so far are laughable at best. Perhaps some form of efficient carbon sequestration will become available soon?

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I don't believe there is tons, people are taught what they are taught and people believe what they are told, experts are only experts because they have been told/taught in a particular field, problem is the field doesn't matter because if the information is wrong then the "expert" can also be wrong, just because some one with a fancy few letters next to there name says something I don't believe it with every ounce of my body, if climate change is a definite thing I'd.be more inclined to look at mass deforestation than bloody cars and fossil fuel burning 

[robsblubot 3,595]

  On 07/05/2024 at 21:30, YorkshireBlue said:

I don't believe there is tons, people are taught what they are taught and people believe what they are told, experts are only experts because they have been told/taught in a particular field, problem is the field doesn't matter because if the information is wrong then the "expert" can also be wrong, just because some one with a fancy few letters next to there name says something I don't believe it with every ounce of my body, if climate change is a definite thing I'd.be more inclined to look at mass deforestation than bloody cars and fossil fuel burning 

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Sure but that's how science works: the theory or even fact is only valid until new data proves otherwise, at which point it gets revised. Until then it remains the best understanding in the subject we have.

I don't agree at all with what your take on experts and expertises, which are earned (certainly does not require academia much less a PhD): https://undsci.berkeley.edu/understanding-science-101/a-scientific-approach-to-life-a-science-toolkit/beware-of-false-balance-are-the-views-of-the-scientific-community-accurately-portrayed/ 

An expert body is ever more significant, because it's when a number of different experts on the subject matter reach similar conclusions. Which is what this piece I shared calls establish science:

The solutions part is a different discussion and there is far less consensus around that, so I'd not put them in the same bucket.

Edited May 7, 2024 by robsblubot

[Fernando 6,534]

  On 07/05/2024 at 18:50, robsblubot said:

https://science.nasa.gov/climate-change/evidence/

• While Earth’s climate has changed throughout its history, the current warming is happening at a rate not seen in the past 10,000 years.
• According to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), "Since systematic scientific assessments began in the 1970s, the influence of human activity on the warming of the climate system has evolved from theory to established fact."¹
• Scientific information taken from natural sources (such as ice cores, rocks, and tree rings) and from modern equipment (like satellites and instruments) all show the signs of a changing climate.
• From global temperature rise to melting ice sheets, the evidence of a warming planet abounds.

 

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That does not make sense. They have only info from 1970 and yet they can compare to 10,000 years ago? 

[robsblubot 3,595]

  On 08/05/2024 at 00:29, Fernando said:

That does not make sense. They have only info from 1970 and yet they can compare to 10,000 years ago? 

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Hmm it sure does (make sense), or are you suggesting that we cannot possibly know anything about the world prior to 1970 if there were no measurements for it then? because that's not the case at all. It's the same way that the Police can prove someone committed a crime even tho no-one else was present, thru evidence (forensics, DNA, etc). The page I linked calls it "Scientific evidence" but it's still evidence.

They have been doing weather-related measurements since 1970, but the measurements can go back thousands of years (thru Geology, Archeology, and other fields).
It's mentioned on the page. , "Ancient evidence can also be found in tree rings, ocean sediments, coral reefs, and layers of sedimentary rocks"

You don't have to have been alive when the tree was young to know things about that time.
"Trees contain some of nature's most accurate evidence of the past. Their growth layers, appearing as rings in the cross section of the tree trunk, record evidence of disastrous floods, insect attacks, lightning strikes, and even earthquakes that occurred during the lifespan of the tree. They also hold excellent records of climate." https://scied.ucar.edu/learning-zone/how-climate-works/tree-rings-and-climate

Edited May 8, 2024 by robsblubot

[cosmicway 1,333]

  On 07/05/2024 at 19:34, NikkiCFC said:

 

Been to Greece many times. Thessaloniki, Athens and many islands. Greeks always had reputation they don't like/want to work. And rightly so. My impression is that half population have some property by the sea they are renting in the summer and make enough money so they don't have to work in the winter. 

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No they don't.
There are various traits: Property owners, bank robbers, card sharps, police, fishermen ...
They want to work because otherwise they have to beg.
And there is no permanent unemployment benefit in Greece. It's one and a half year after they have fired you from somewhere.
But the "right to work" has strict conditions attached to it related to minimum tax one has to pay.

[cosmicway 1,333]

Historical BBC racism

You recognize this character below ?
It is lieutanant Gruber (Guy Siner) from 'Allo 'Allo.

Now, this guy was the German gay officer as you all remember.
What did the BBC do then ?
In the last episode of the series it is supposed to be a farewell party with all the participants of the show
who have survived the war and are now friends.
So far so good.
But what about Gruber ?
Gruber declares that he stopped being gay and he is now married to the beautiful Helga (Kim Hartman).

Ain't that racist and homophobic ?

Edited May 8, 2024 by cosmicway