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2 hours ago, Vesper said:

Biden vows to ‘shut down the border’ if Senate immigration bill is passed

But the Republican House speaker, Mike Johnson, said deal involving border security and aid to Ukraine is ‘dead on arrival’ in its current form

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/27/biden-border-deal-senate

Joe Biden said on Friday that the border deal being negotiated in the US Senate was the “toughest and fairest” set of reforms possible and vowed to “shut down the border” the day he signs the bill.

 

The bipartisan talks have hit a critical point amid mounting Republican opposition. Some Republicans have set a deal on border security as a condition for further Ukraine aid.

Earlier in the day, the House speaker, Mike Johnson, said the deal is “dead on arrival” in its current form, according to a letter to Republican lawmakers in the House of Representatives reviewed by Reuters.

Biden, a Democrat seeking another term in the 5 November elections, has grappled with record numbers of migrants caught illegally crossing the US-Mexico border during his presidency. Republicans contend Biden should have kept the restrictive policies of the Republican former president Donald Trump, the frontrunner for his party’s nomination.

“What’s been negotiated would – if passed into law – be the toughest and fairest set of reforms to secure the border we’ve ever had in our country,” Biden said in a statement.

“It would give me, as President, a new emergency authority to shut down the border when it becomes overwhelmed. And if given that authority, I would use it the day I sign the bill into law.”

The White House has agreed to new limits on asylum at the border, including the creation of an expulsion power that would allow migrants who cross the US-Mexico border illegally to be rapidly returned to Mexico if migrant encounters surpass 4,000 per day, three sources familiar with the matter said.

If encounters pass 5,000 per day, the use of the expulsion authority would become mandatory, according to the sources who requested anonymity to discuss details of the private negotiations.

In December, encounters averaged more than 9,500 per day, according to US government statistics released on Friday.

The sweeping authority would be comparable to the Covid-era Title 42 policy put in place under Trump during the pandemic and which ended under Biden in May 2023.

Migrants trying to claim asylum would still be able to do so at legal border crossings if the expulsion power was in effect, one of the sources said.

The US would be required to allow at least 1,400 migrants per day to approach legal crossings to claim asylum if the expulsions were in effect, the source added.

The bill aims to resolve asylum claims in six months without detaining migrants, the source said, faster than the current process, which can take years.

Trump, however, took to social media last week to warn against any deal that fails to deliver everything Republicans want to shut down border crossings.

Biden also urged Congress on Friday to provide the funding he asked for in October to secure the border.

“This includes an additional 1,300 border patrol agents, 375 immigration judges, 1,600 asylum officers, and over 100 cutting-edge inspection machines to help detect and stop fentanyl at our south-west border,” the president said.

Once again, I don't disagree he's getting no help from congress and at the same time, this will hurt his chances all the same.

Ukraine help being tied to this bill is also weird.

BTW, I live in downtown in a "blue" city. Homelessness is absolutely crazy and is starting to remind me of Brazilian "favelas."

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On 08/02/2024 at 14:58, Vesper said:

The Republicans are the ultimate hypocrites.

They had complete control (Senate, House, and POTUS) for half of Trump's terms and passed fuckall for immigration.

As soon as Biden gets in, they double, treble down with the attacks:

They rant and scream that the border is out of control, that it is all Biden's fault, and that it is endangering Americans and rupturing national security.

 

Well, they appoint some of the most hardcore RW Republican Senators to negotiate a bill.

And the Democrats caved in and  basically gave the RW almsot EVERYTHING thery wanted.

It is the most hardcore immigration crackdown in 50 years.

Some of the farthest left Dems hate it, BUT enough to pass it were willing to support it.

Biden said he will use his new powers from the bill to close down the border in all the key areas starting the minute he signs it into law.

 

So....... what happens?

Trump tells the House and the Senate to vote it down, because he wants the issue to continue so he can bash Biden and the Dems with it, plus use it to deflect from his 91 criminal indictments.

In other words (and using THE REPUBS' OWN WORDS)... they are willing to absolutely put the American people and national security completely at risk just to deflect from Trump's massive leagal issues and also to use the immigration issue to smashup Biden and the Dems with.

They do not actually give a shit about the border, they just want it as a poltical weapon to power grab with.

Rank (and dangerous) hypocrisy.

They also (because the funding for it was in the bill) are fucking over Ukraine (the Putin-loving wing of the Repubs love that) and and Israel (the Israel blocking of funding part does not piss me off at all, I vehemently oppose giving them billions for their genocidal attempts) funding of those 2 wars.

 

Has the bill already been voted down? 

Yes that sucks if they are playing political with that for the elections. 

Should start now. 

As well city like nyc that are sanctuary cities should continue to be that but not with criminals. They should let ice have more power but only against immigrants with crimes like we just saw in the video posted above. 

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10 hours ago, robsblubot said:

Once again, I don't disagree he's getting no help from congress and at the same time, this will hurt his chances all the same.

Ukraine help being tied to this bill is also weird.

BTW, I live in downtown in a "blue" city. Homelessness is absolutely crazy and is starting to remind me of Brazilian "favelas."

Down here in Atlanta and its pretty bad too. As bad as I have seen it since at least the Great Recession.

 

Everybody talks about how great the economy is doing, but it doesnt seem that way.

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Greece becomes first Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex marriage

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/16/greece-legalizes-same-sex-marriage-lgbt/

 

Greece on Thursday became the first majority Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex marriage — a watershed moment for the country’s LGBTQ community, which has long fought for visibility and rights in the shadow of the highly influential Greek church.

The bill also allows same-sex couples to adopt children and confers full parental rights on married partners, though it stops short of permitting gay couples to become parents through surrogacy, a limitation that has drawn criticism from rights groups.

Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said on social media that Greece is “proud to become the 16th E.U. country to legislate marriage equality.” He called the step “a milestone for human rights, reflecting today’s Greece — a progressive, and democratic country, passionately committed to European values.”

Thursday’s vote crossed party lines, with 176 of 300 lawmakers in the Hellenic Parliament voting in favor of the measure. Seventy-six rejected the bill, two abstained and 46 were not present.

The change comes despite staunch opposition from the socially conservative Greek church, which last year issued a statement saying that same-sex marriage does not maintain the traditional family structure and that children are not “pets for anyone who wants to feel like a guardian.”

Pope Francis allows blessings of same-sex couples, shifting Vatican guidance

Orthodox Christianity is one of the world’s three major Christian traditions and is largely found in Europe. There are 14 Orthodox Christian majority countries in the world, according to 2017 data from Pew Research Center, many of which are former Soviet states such as Ukraine and Belarus.

Thursday’s vote followed intense debate in parliament “against a backdrop of very public homophobic and transphobic speech,” Amnesty International said in a statement.

“For far too long, our love has been questioned, our families disregarded, and our rights denied,” advocacy group Europride 2024 Thessaloniki said in a statement on social media. “This isn’t just about legal recognition; it’s about validation, acceptance, and the affirmation of our inherent worth.”

Athens Pride, along with a coalition of LGBTQ groups, welcomed the bill as “a historic turning point,” but said the government could go further, including recognition of trans parenthood.

Konstantinos Eleftheriadis, a diversity and inclusion consultant and professor at the Sciences Po university in Paris, said while the bill “doesn’t cover everything,” he hopes it will spark broader regional change on LGBTQ rights.

The change, he said, also, “to some extent refreshes the image of Greece around the world.”

For at least one lawmaker, Thursday’s vote was of great personal significance: During a Thursday debate on the bill in parliament, Spyros Bibilas, who is openly gay, recalled being drawn to male statues at museums as a child and crying in private because he knew he had to hide his identity, local media reported.

He said these “secret tears” led him to fight “so that other children do not cry.”

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On 16/02/2024 at 14:23, Vesper said:

Greece becomes first Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex marriage

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/02/16/greece-legalizes-same-sex-marriage-lgbt/

 

Greece on Thursday became the first majority Orthodox Christian country to legalize same-sex marriage — a watershed moment for the country’s LGBTQ community, which has long fought for visibility and rights in the shadow of the highly influential Greek church.

The bill also allows same-sex couples to adopt children and confers full parental rights on married partners, though it stops short of permitting gay couples to become parents through surrogacy, a limitation that has drawn criticism from rights groups.

Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis said on social media that Greece is “proud to become the 16th E.U. country to legislate marriage equality.” He called the step “a milestone for human rights, reflecting today’s Greece — a progressive, and democratic country, passionately committed to European values.”

Thursday’s vote crossed party lines, with 176 of 300 lawmakers in the Hellenic Parliament voting in favor of the measure. Seventy-six rejected the bill, two abstained and 46 were not present.

The change comes despite staunch opposition from the socially conservative Greek church, which last year issued a statement saying that same-sex marriage does not maintain the traditional family structure and that children are not “pets for anyone who wants to feel like a guardian.”

Pope Francis allows blessings of same-sex couples, shifting Vatican guidance

Orthodox Christianity is one of the world’s three major Christian traditions and is largely found in Europe. There are 14 Orthodox Christian majority countries in the world, according to 2017 data from Pew Research Center, many of which are former Soviet states such as Ukraine and Belarus.

Thursday’s vote followed intense debate in parliament “against a backdrop of very public homophobic and transphobic speech,” Amnesty International said in a statement.

“For far too long, our love has been questioned, our families disregarded, and our rights denied,” advocacy group Europride 2024 Thessaloniki said in a statement on social media. “This isn’t just about legal recognition; it’s about validation, acceptance, and the affirmation of our inherent worth.”

Athens Pride, along with a coalition of LGBTQ groups, welcomed the bill as “a historic turning point,” but said the government could go further, including recognition of trans parenthood.

Konstantinos Eleftheriadis, a diversity and inclusion consultant and professor at the Sciences Po university in Paris, said while the bill “doesn’t cover everything,” he hopes it will spark broader regional change on LGBTQ rights.

The change, he said, also, “to some extent refreshes the image of Greece around the world.”

For at least one lawmaker, Thursday’s vote was of great personal significance: During a Thursday debate on the bill in parliament, Spyros Bibilas, who is openly gay, recalled being drawn to male statues at museums as a child and crying in private because he knew he had to hide his identity, local media reported.

He said these “secret tears” led him to fight “so that other children do not cry.”

The adopted children will become gay.
How did your father convince you to become Olympiakos Piraeus ?
It's the same thing.

[Vesper 28,767]

Just now, cosmicway said:

The adopted children will become gay.
How did your father convince you to become Olympiakos Piraeus ?
It's the same thing.

wtf

you do NOT become gay if you have gay parents

ffs, my parents are straight

we have so many gay and lesbian friends who have adopted or had sperm donor children and none of the children who are old enough to self define in terms of orientation are gay 

it is not some learnt behaviour that can be 'converted' away

gay conversion therapy is 100 per cent homophobic dross

 

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1 minute ago, Vesper said:

wtf

you do NOT become gay if you have gay parents

ffs, my parents are straight

we have so many gay and lesbian friends who have adopted or had sperm donor children and none of the children who are old enough to self define in terms of orientation are gay 

it is not some learnt behaviour that can be 'converted' away

gay conversion therapy is 100 per cent homophobic dross

 

I did not say "gay conversion therapy" is of any value.
But when I was eight-nine years old there was a gay boy in the neighbourhood.
His father to make him stop being gay was bringing him all the gorgeous manequins at home - my mother was saying.
Fcuk - nobody did that for me.
However the adopted children will become gay and it's the same as Olympiakos Piraeus.

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Just now, cosmicway said:

I did not say "gay conversion therapy" is of any value.
But when I was eight-nine years old there was a gay boy in the neighbourhood.
His father to make him stop being gay was bringing him all the gorgeous manequins at home - my mother was saying.
Fcuk - nobody did that for me.
However the adopted children will become gay and it's the same as Olympiakos Piraeus.

gay parents do not 'make' their children gay

that is patently false

and 

a father cannot make his son, IF the son is actually gay, 'ungay'

cannot believe in 2024 we still have to deal with this 😿

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Just now, Vesper said:

gay parents do not 'make' their children gay

that is patently false

and 

a father cannot make his son, IF the son is actually gay, 'ungay'

cannot believe in 2024 we still have to deal with this 😿

The NHS "ungay therapy" was abusive and a total fallacy.
But do we actually know if people who were previously gay have become ungay on their own. We don't.
We have all kinds of weird statistics.
Such as which race have the biggest c*cks,
They have nominated the French.
But you know how this was done ? In the funeral parlours !
So we don't know about people who stopped being gay, through some natural process.
In our case it's simple however they follow their dad's soccer team.
Now those kids whose parents were not interested in sport may become supporters of any team. But the rest follow the family tradition, Luton, Exeter, Yeovil - whichever it is.

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9 hours ago, cosmicway said:

But do we actually know if people who were previously gay have become ungay on their own. We don't.

BULLSHIT

We DO know,

There are thousands of legit studies.

The 'you can de-queer yourself' claptrap is religion-spawned hate-spawned nonsense.

I, as a member of the queer comminty, take massive offense at this bollocks being spewed here.

What's next? How to change your racial genetic makeup? Your adult body height?

 

It is also utter madness to suggest that a child can be 'made gay' by their adoptives parents' sexual orientation.

Seriously, that is sheer lunacy, and starts to stray into hate crime territory.

It is DEFFO the type of rhetoric that has lead to us queer folk being maimed, tortured, and/or killed in truly dreadful numbers in the past.

The Lies and Dangers of Efforts to Change Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity

https://www.hrc.org/resources/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy

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6 minutes ago, Vesper said:

BULLSHIT

We DO know,

There are thousands of legit studies.

The 'you can de-queer yourself' claptrap is religion-spawned hate-spawned nonsense.

I, as a member of the queer comminty, take massive offense at this bollocks being spewed here.

What's next? How to change your racial genetic makeup? Your adult body height?

 

It is also utter madness to suggest that a child can be 'made gay' by their adoptives parents' sexual orientation.

Seriously, that is sheer lunacy, and starts to stray into hate crime territory.

It is DEFFO the type of rhetoric that has lead to us queer folk being maimed, tortured, and/or killed in truly dreadful numbers in the past.

The Lies and Dangers of Efforts to Change Sexual Orientation or Gender Identity

https://www.hrc.org/resources/the-lies-and-dangers-of-reparative-therapy

Ok.
You are a member of the queer community out of personal choice.
You don't want to change.
But if someone wants to change, out of shame or because he decided it is boring, is it possible or impossible ?
I don't know, you tell me (but I know the so called NHS therapy in the fifties was ridivulous - I 'm not talking about the "NHS therapy" of the Victoran years).
However the idea it is congenital is known to be just another hoax.
May be true of some rare indivuduals who were born as hermaphrodites, but it's a hoax  - it's a personal choice.
This is not the issue however and marriage is also not the issue.
But the adopted children will be dragooned into becoming loatkis before they reach an appropriate age for such decisions.
This is what will be happening.

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18 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

You are a member of the queer community out of personal choice.

the fuck I am

I am lesbian in the same way I am mixed race

the same way I am a cis gendered female

the same way I am 1.83m tall

you are WAY over the line m8

[cosmicway 1,323]

2 minutes ago, Vesper said:

the fuck I am

I am lesbian in the same way I am mixed race

the same way I am a cis gendered female

the same way I am 1.83m tall

you are WAY over the line m8

So is Liana Kannelis of the KKE who voted against the law.

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On 17/02/2024 at 18:07, cosmicway said:

The adopted children will become gay.
How did your father convince you to become Olympiakos Piraeus ?
It's the same thing.

Are u angry about this?

https://metro.co.uk/2024/02/21/greek-parliament-angry-netflix-turning-alexander-great-gay-20318223/

Greek parliament genuinely livid with Netflix for ‘turning’ Alexander The Great gay

 

Although it's well known fact it was normal back in old Greece. 

Edited February 21 by NikkiCFC

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peckerwood yank RW preacher

 

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10 hours ago, NikkiCFC said:

Are u angry about this?

https://metro.co.uk/2024/02/21/greek-parliament-angry-netflix-turning-alexander-great-gay-20318223/

Greek parliament genuinely livid with Netflix for ‘turning’ Alexander The Great gay

 

Although it's well known fact it was normal back in old Greece. 

It most certainly was n't.
They were putting gays to the sword.
The early Christians who were also anti-gay of course created those myths.
You know the word "paederast" - it means child molester.
But do you know what this meant to the ancient Greeks ?
The paederast was simply the school tutor.
When you go to college you are assigned to a tutor - a paederast !
Mine was dr. Smith - an ex polaris submarine captain.
So this word was perverted and means what it means today.

You must n't listen to Turkish-Nigel Farage-Trump-Albanian-Skopjan propaganda.
But all this was not Turkish-Nigel Farage-Trump-Albanian-Skopjan anti-Greek propaganda in the beginning.
It was German propaganda of before the first world war, as the Germans believed in pan-germanism then too.
It was also Stalin-Lyssenko propaganda and Stalin was very much anti-Greek before the second world war.
He changed his mind after because he believed the Greeks saved Moscow in 1941 by delaying the German invasion.

 

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1 hour ago, cosmicway said:

It most certainly was n't.
They were putting gays to the sword.
The early Christians who were also anti-gay of course created those myths.
You know the word "paederast" - it means child molester.
But do you know what this meant to the ancient Greeks ?
The paederast was simply the school tutor.
When you go to college you are assigned to a tutor - a paederast !
Mine was dr. Smith - an ex polaris submarine captain.
So this word was perverted and means what it means today.

You must n't listen to Turkish-Nigel Farage-Trump-Albanian-Skopjan propaganda.
But all this was not Turkish-Nigel Farage-Trump-Albanian-Skopjan anti-Greek propaganda in the beginning.
It was German propaganda of before the first world war, as the Germans believed in pan-germanism then too.
It was also Stalin-Lyssenko propaganda and Stalin was very much anti-Greek before the second world war.
He changed his mind after because he believed the Greeks saved Moscow in 1941 by delaying the German invasion.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pederastic_erotic_scene_Louvre_F85bis.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Art_grècia.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clarke_Ars_Erotica_62.jpg

Are these cups, paintings, coins from BC also propaganda created by Germans and Stalin? Many ancient Greek philosophers and historians wrote about this. 

Plutarch for example wrote about army of male lovers 'Sacred Band of Thebes'.

Pluto, Lucian and other authors as well. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece#:~:text=During these times%2C homosexuality was,and%2C in fact%2C perverse.

 

Edited February 22 by NikkiCFC