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[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

2 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

They attack, under the orders of Hamas.

Not sure what youre talking about - if you were Palestinian living in an open prison you cant leave, your family had been murdered but netanyahu had provided you with money and weapons (see his 2019 comments about funding and arming Hamas to stop a two state solution) you would fight or just be a pussy

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

2 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

Like when he wanted to dismantle the Greek economy and make everyone eat raw corn.

Source, any proof ? 

At least he doesnt advocate the slaughter of babies like some Greeks

[Fernando 6,585]

2 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

You can look it all up from multiple reputable news sources, (though probably not your Fox news)

Hmmmm New York times is one of those in which they published against Israel and then had to back track because the info it got from Hamas was wrong... 

So we go back to the beginning. You got two choices or accept the news that is coming from Hamas or accept the news that is coming from Israel. Either way you mentioned that both are not reliable.... 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Fernando

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

35 minutes ago, Fernando said:

Hmmmm New York times is one of those in which they published against Israel and then had to back track because the info it got from Hamas was wrong... 

So we go back to the beginning. You got two choices or accept the news that is coming from Hamas or accept the news that is coming from Israel. Either way you mentioned that both are not reliable.... 

I dont think Hamas have any news agencies, though maybe in Qatar.

Like I said your OWN government. ''the Gaza Strip has suffered heavy civilian casualties from Israeli bombardment. Since the war began, 10,000 Palestinians (including 4,000 children) have been killed, 20,000 injured, and 1,600 missing are under rubble, totaling over 30,000 killed or injured''

'(Though perhaps they ve been infiltrated by Hamas agents like some plot in Southpark  what some evangelical christians believe -remember that one ?) 

[Fernando 6,585]

13 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

I dont think Hamas have any news agencies, though maybe in Qatar.

Like I said your OWN government. ''the Gaza Strip has suffered heavy civilian casualties from Israeli bombardment. Since the war began, 10,000 Palestinians (including 4,000 children) have been killed, 20,000 injured, and 1,600 missing are under rubble, totaling over 30,000 killed or injured''

'(Though perhaps they ve been infiltrated by Hamas agents like some plot in Southpark  what some evangelical christians believe -remember that one ?) 

All the info about death and hospital was coming from inside. If you read all the news it would say organization lead by Hamas. 

 

Nonetheless like I mentioned both sides have done atrocities. In no way I'm saying Israel is innocent as well, because war brings ugly stuff no matter what side you are. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Fernando

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

All the info about death and hospital was coming from inside. If you read all the news it would say organization lead by Hamas. 

 

Nonetheless like I mentioned both sides have done atrocities. In no way I'm saying Israel is innocent as well, because war brings ugly stuff no matter what side you are. 

Yes its bound to come from inside - it is from the United Nations reprsentatives (Israel has killed 67 of them) - but maybe they are lying and United Nations and Red Cross and US Government observers are all hamas secret agents.

It would be a war if Palestinians had an Iron Dome defence system, American F16s, 2000lb bombs, US cruise missiles, US Abram tanks, laser guided missiles, phosphorous bombs, US Apache helicopters, state of the art eaves dropping surveillance, war ships and battle cruisers - but as it is they don't so its a genocide by an occupying army. 

I would have thought as Christian you could see rigt from wrong -even many Evangelical US Christians in the US and IK that are indoctrinated with 'Israel is holy' now see this is wrong.

[Fernando 6,585]

32 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Yes its bound to come from inside - it is from the United Nations reprsentatives (Israel has killed 67 of them) - but maybe they are lying and United Nations and Red Cross and US Government observers are all hamas secret agents.

It would be a war if Palestinians had an Iron Dome defence system, American F16s, 2000lb bombs, US cruise missiles, US Abram tanks, laser guided missiles, phosphorous bombs, US Apache helicopters, state of the art eaves dropping surveillance, war ships and battle cruisers - but as it is they don't so its a genocide by an occupying army. 

I would have thought as Christian you could see rigt from wrong -even many Evangelical US Christians in the US and IK that are indoctrinated with 'Israel is holy' now see this is wrong.

It's similar to USA did with Afghanistan. Hamas is a terrorist organization and Israel has a right to defend itself just like any country would do. 

Now that Israel is committing atrocities I'm not debating that. What I am is taking every word that is coming from Hamas as Gospel, when they are found multiple times as lying. 

[cosmicway 1,333]

17 hours ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Source, any proof ? 

At least he doesnt advocate the slaughter of babies like some Greeks

[Vesper 30,234]

[cosmicway 1,333]

22 minutes ago, Fernando said:

It's similar to USA did with Afghanistan. Hamas is a terrorist organization and Israel has a right to defend itself just like any country would do. 

Now that Israel is committing atrocities I'm not debating that. What I am is taking every word that is coming from Hamas as Gospel, when they are found multiple times as lying. 

In a war against a city atrocities are inevitable.
But who caused the war ?

[lucio 5,418]

5 minutes ago, cosmicway said:

In a war against a city atrocities are inevitable.
But who caused the war ?

The Jewish settlers 

[Fernando 6,585]

22 minutes ago, lucio said:

The Jewish settlers 

So Native Americans in North America have a right to attack Americans and Latinos because we are settling their land?

Crazy argument. 

Nothing justify terrorism. 

[Vesper 30,234]

Evangelical Leader Taunts 'Chump' Trump With 'Golden Showers' Dig

Former Trump voter Bob Vander Plaats hit back at an attack from the former president.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bob-vander-plaats-donald-trump_n_65644c3de4b0827ae6150a23

 

Influential Iowa evangelical leader Bob Vander Plaats endorsed Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in the 2024 Republican primary race last week, and former President Donald Trump wasn’t happy.

Trump, the 2024 Republican front-runner, fired off a furious message on his Truth Social platform. He called the Family Leader CEO a “former High School Accountant” who was “more known for scamming Candidates than he is for Victory.” Trump also claimed a $95,000 donation to Vander Plaats’ nonprofit from the DeSantis campaign was to buy his endorsement, an allegation that Vander Plaats has denied.

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/111472619280667075

 

Vander Platts, who reportedly voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020, responded equally fiercely on X, formerly Twitter.

 

In one post, Vander Plaats said Iowa “will exhibit higher standards when they choose @RonDeSantis over a Chump.”

In a second post, Vander Plaats said “person to person” in an Iowa “stronghold” he visited had told him “they are done” with Trump.

Then came the ding about the salacious allegation, which featured in former British spy Christopher Steele’s unverified dossier, about Trump reportedly hiring prostitutes to urinate on a Moscow hotel bed. Trump has — unprompted — returned to talking about the so-called “golden showers” claims in recent days. He denies the claim.

Vander Plaats wrote: “While they long to leave the topic of ‘golden showers’ and return to the discussion of gold standards, the final straw” was “his lies” about Iowa Gov. Kim Reynolds (R).

 

Reynolds drew Trump’s ire earlier this month after endorsing DeSantis for president.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Vesper

[lucio 5,418]

16 minutes ago, Fernando said:

So Native Americans in North America have a right to attack Americans and Latinos because we are settling their land?

Crazy argument. 

Nothing justify terrorism. 

Latinos are part native and natives aren’t being genocided currently or segregated off 
That’s a bit of a straw man tbh, native Americans had the right to defend themselves and fight back in the day ofc 
 

 

[Fernando 6,585]

13 minutes ago, lucio said:

Latinos are part native and natives aren’t being genocided currently or segregated off 
That’s a bit of a straw man tbh, native Americans had the right to defend themselves and fight back in the day ofc 
 

 

Yes and they don't did terrorism just because, kill babies, rape women and such. 

Any country has the right to defend themselves when these acts of terrorism happens. 

And segregation? Please men, then all black people in North America and South America have a right to terrorism...ludicrous statement. The leader of the movement to end segregation, Martin Luther King will cold hardly disagree with your view. People have a right to protest and defend themselves, but no act of terrorism. 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Fernando

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

1 hour ago, Fernando said:

It's similar to USA did with Afghanistan. Hamas is a terrorist organization and Israel has a right to defend itself just like any country would do. 

Now that Israel is committing atrocities I'm not debating that. What I am is taking every word that is coming from Hamas as Gospel, when they are found multiple times as lying. 

Do think hamas would exist if the PLO hadn't been decimated by israel, refusing a two state conversation ? hamas exists because Netanyahu wanted it to flourish providing it with money and weapons (see his well documented comments and intentions in 2019). Him and Likud know that with Hamas there is no possibility of a two state solution. Israel is terrorist state -96% of deaths in the conflict were palestinians on their land BEFORE 7 October

[Fernando 6,585]

4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Do think hamas would exist if the PLO hadn't been decimated by israel, refusing a two state conversation ? hamas exists because Netanyahu wanted it to flourish providing it with money and weapons (see his well documented comments and intentions in 2019). Him and Likud know that with Hamas there is no possibility of a two state solution. Israel is terrorist state -96% of deaths in the conflict were palestinians on their land BEFORE 7 October

Israel is a terrorist state? On what basis?

Well let me ask you this question. What is terrorism for you? Because if I see what your telling me here, then your country was also that, as well USA.....

Edited November 27, 2023 by Fernando

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

1 minute ago, Fernando said:

Israel is a terrorist state? On what basis?

Well let me ask you this question. What is terrorism for you? Because if I see what your telling me here, then your country was also that, as well my country USA.....

Israel and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

Endless examples of terrorism

Your second question is yes, the UK has actively been involved in terrorism - from the British Empire to colluding with Loyalist killers in Northern Ireland. The US by conservative estimates has killed 40m people since 1945

[Fernando 6,585]

9 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

Israel and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

Endless examples of terrorism

Your second question is yes, the UK has actively been involved in terrorism - from the British Empire to colluding with Loyalist killers in Northern Ireland. The US by conservative estimates has killed 40m people since 1945

So by that definition we are screw and everyone is a terrorist.....

Edited November 27, 2023 by Fernando

[Fulham Broadway 17,335]

Just now, Fernando said:

So by that definition we are screw and everyone is a terrorist.....

Yes, its labelling at the end of the day. Its thrown around too much, but States are usually the worst culprits