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‘Fork off’: DC protesters condemn ‘puppet’ Elon Musk

Armed with slogans like, “We don’t want your tech solutions, give us back our constitution,” and “Elon, Elon, have you heard? You're a nasty, fascist turd” protesters showed up to challenge the unprecedented access to department data that Musk and his associates at DOGE have gained control of over the last 24 hours..

"Musk can fork off," Free D.C. Executive Director Keya Chatterjee said.

Chatterjee, a former federal employee who now heads up the social justice nonprofit, was referring to a memo the world’s richest man sent to 2.3 million government employees last week with the subject line, “fork in the road” offering them a resignation buyout package.

[Vesper 29,228]

Trump Proposes the U.S. Take Over Gaza, Says Palestinians Have 'No Alternative' but to Leave Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/04/us/trump-administration-rfk-jr-gabbard
 

President Trump declared Tuesday that all Palestinians in Gaza — some two million people — should leave, describing a permanent relocation to one or more sites funded by “countries of interest with humanitarian hearts.” As he hosted Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, for a joint news conference in the White House, Mr. Trump proposed that the United States “take over the Gaza Strip.” Read more ›

Trump Says Palestinians Have ‘No Alternative’ but to Leave Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/04/us/trump-administration-rfk-jr-gabbard/trump-netanyahu-meeting-israel-gaza

https://archive.ph/ZHwdi

President Trump declared on Tuesday that Palestinians had no choice but to leave Gaza because of the devastation wrought by Israel’s war with Hamas after the terrorist attack of Oct. 7, 2023, suggesting that they be given a new homeland. Mr. Trump made the comments to reporters shortly before hosting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel at the White House to talk about the next stage of a cease-fire in the Gaza war. Speaking in the Oval Office while signing executive orders, Mr. Trump said he wanted Jordan and Egypt to take in the Palestinians.

“They have no alternative right now” but to leave, Mr. Trump said of Gazans. “I mean, they’re there because they have no alternative. What do they have? It is a big pile of rubble right now.” He added: “I don’t know how they could want to stay. It’s a demolition site. It’s a pure demolition site.”

Mr. Trump seemed to indicate that he wanted to find a permanent new homeland for the Palestinians rather than reconstruct Gaza. “If we could find the right piece of land, or numerous pieces of land, and build them some really nice places with plenty of money in the area, that’s for sure,” he said. “I think that would be a lot better than going back to Gaza.”

While the president framed the matter as a humanitarian imperative, the notion of clearing Palestinians out of Gaza is an explosive one in a region that has endured generations of warfare over questions of homelands and forced migration. Neither Egypt nor Jordan want large numbers of Palestinians, given the burden and fears of instability, nor is it clear that Gazans would willingly abandon the enclave they have spent years defending, even with the destruction.

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[Fulham Broadway 16,980]

7 hours ago, Vesper said:

Trump Proposes the U.S. Take Over Gaza, Says Palestinians Have 'No Alternative' but to Leave Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/04/us/trump-administration-rfk-jr-gabbard
 

President Trump declared Tuesday that all Palestinians in Gaza — some two million people — should leave, describing a permanent relocation to one or more sites funded by “countries of interest with humanitarian hearts.” As he hosted Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, for a joint news conference in the White House, Mr. Trump proposed that the United States “take over the Gaza Strip.” Read more ›

Trump Says Palestinians Have ‘No Alternative’ but to Leave Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/04/us/trump-administration-rfk-jr-gabbard/trump-netanyahu-meeting-israel-gaza

https://archive.ph/ZHwdi

President Trump declared on Tuesday that Palestinians had no choice but to leave Gaza because of the devastation wrought by Israel’s war with Hamas after the terrorist attack of Oct. 7, 2023, suggesting that they be given a new homeland. Mr. Trump made the comments to reporters shortly before hosting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel at the White House to talk about the next stage of a cease-fire in the Gaza war. Speaking in the Oval Office while signing executive orders, Mr. Trump said he wanted Jordan and Egypt to take in the Palestinians.

“They have no alternative right now” but to leave, Mr. Trump said of Gazans. “I mean, they’re there because they have no alternative. What do they have? It is a big pile of rubble right now.” He added: “I don’t know how they could want to stay. It’s a demolition site. It’s a pure demolition site.”

Mr. Trump seemed to indicate that he wanted to find a permanent new homeland for the Palestinians rather than reconstruct Gaza. “If we could find the right piece of land, or numerous pieces of land, and build them some really nice places with plenty of money in the area, that’s for sure,” he said. “I think that would be a lot better than going back to Gaza.”

While the president framed the matter as a humanitarian imperative, the notion of clearing Palestinians out of Gaza is an explosive one in a region that has endured generations of warfare over questions of homelands and forced migration. Neither Egypt nor Jordan want large numbers of Palestinians, given the burden and fears of instability, nor is it clear that Gazans would willingly abandon the enclave they have spent years defending, even with the destruction.

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So fucking obvious...

Netanyahu (real name Mileikowsky, but Netanyahu sounds more Hebrew) war criminal, sat their smirking having funded the rapists election campaign

12, 15 and 22 hours before Israel responded to the incursion points of October 7th with the Hannibal directive that killed their own people. This was reported in Haaretz news before being deleted.

They were warned in advance too about Oct 7th. Allow it to happen, Then bomb every building and murder hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. 

The next day Gas licences granted to US companies off Gaza coast.

Steal the land and ethnic cleanse. They did it in Iraq, Libya, Iran will be next

If people cant see that....

[Fernando 6,502]

9 hours ago, Vesper said:

Trump Proposes the U.S. Take Over Gaza, Says Palestinians Have 'No Alternative' but to Leave Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/04/us/trump-administration-rfk-jr-gabbard
 

President Trump declared Tuesday that all Palestinians in Gaza — some two million people — should leave, describing a permanent relocation to one or more sites funded by “countries of interest with humanitarian hearts.” As he hosted Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, for a joint news conference in the White House, Mr. Trump proposed that the United States “take over the Gaza Strip.” Read more ›

Trump Says Palestinians Have ‘No Alternative’ but to Leave Gaza

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/04/us/trump-administration-rfk-jr-gabbard/trump-netanyahu-meeting-israel-gaza

https://archive.ph/ZHwdi

President Trump declared on Tuesday that Palestinians had no choice but to leave Gaza because of the devastation wrought by Israel’s war with Hamas after the terrorist attack of Oct. 7, 2023, suggesting that they be given a new homeland. Mr. Trump made the comments to reporters shortly before hosting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel at the White House to talk about the next stage of a cease-fire in the Gaza war. Speaking in the Oval Office while signing executive orders, Mr. Trump said he wanted Jordan and Egypt to take in the Palestinians.

“They have no alternative right now” but to leave, Mr. Trump said of Gazans. “I mean, they’re there because they have no alternative. What do they have? It is a big pile of rubble right now.” He added: “I don’t know how they could want to stay. It’s a demolition site. It’s a pure demolition site.”

Mr. Trump seemed to indicate that he wanted to find a permanent new homeland for the Palestinians rather than reconstruct Gaza. “If we could find the right piece of land, or numerous pieces of land, and build them some really nice places with plenty of money in the area, that’s for sure,” he said. “I think that would be a lot better than going back to Gaza.”

While the president framed the matter as a humanitarian imperative, the notion of clearing Palestinians out of Gaza is an explosive one in a region that has endured generations of warfare over questions of homelands and forced migration. Neither Egypt nor Jordan want large numbers of Palestinians, given the burden and fears of instability, nor is it clear that Gazans would willingly abandon the enclave they have spent years defending, even with the destruction.

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I saw the video and NY times takes thing out of context. 

He didn't say no alternative but to leave gaza. 

That they have not alternative and have to go back to Gaza. 

But that if they where giving an opportunity to leave somewhere else they would want to go since it's a demolition site and it's been nothing but bloodshed in the past and will continue to be like that in the future. 

Here watch everything in context:

 

[Fulham Broadway 16,980]

39 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I saw the video and NY times takes thing out of context. 

He didn't say no alternative but to leave gaza. 

That they have not alternative and have to go back to Gaza. 

But that if they where giving an opportunity to leave somewhere else they would want to go since it's a demolition site and it's been nothing but bloodshed in the past and will continue to be like that in the future. 

Here watch everything in context:

 

All Israelis should be made to leave the occupied land and settle in the US on Trumps golf courses  

# Free Palestine 

[YorkshireBlue 3,151]

4 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

All Israelis should be made to leave the occupied land and settle in the US on Trumps golf courses  

# Free Palestine 

Sick of hearing free Palestine, want our help when it suits, but hate our way of life, need to make there minds up.

[Fernando 6,502]

19 minutes ago, Fulham Broadway said:

All Israelis should be made to leave the occupied land and settle in the US on Trumps golf courses  

# Free Palestine 

Well yes, I would say one of them is better to leave. 

Either Jews or the Palestine. 

Because both of them side by side will never work. Right now you stop the war, but like Trump said 20 years from now and on the same will happen. 

Just move these two group away if possible. If you can Israel...which at this moment they have the upper hand, so the Palestine should accept and move. Like the movie Kingdom of Heaven with Orlando Bloom that gave up Jerusalem so that his people can survive and not be slaughtered. 

[Vesper 29,228]

56 minutes ago, Fernando said:

I saw the video and NY times takes thing out of context. 

He didn't say no alternative but to leave gaza. 

That they have not alternative and have to go back to Gaza. 

But that if they where giving an opportunity to leave somewhere else they would want to go since it's a demolition site and it's been nothing but bloodshed in the past and will continue to be like that in the future. 

Here watch everything in context:

 

Donald Trump 00:07:24-00:07:46 (22 sec)

They're living under fallen concrete that's very dangerous and very precarious. They instead can occupy all of a beautiful area with homes and safety and they can live out their lives in peace and harmony instead of having to go back and do it again. The US will take over the Gaza Strip and we will do a job with it too.

We'll own it and be responsible for dismantling all of the dangerous unexploded bombs and other weapons on the site, level the site and get rid of the destroyed buildings, level it out. Create an economic development that will supply unlimited numbers of jobs and housing for the people of the area. Do a real job, do something different.

Just can't go back. If you go back, it's going to end up the same way it has for 100 years. I'm hopeful that this ceasefire could be the beginning of a larger and more enduring peace that will end the bloodshed and killing once and for all. With the same goal in mind, my administration has been moving quickly to restore trust in the alliance and rebuild American strength throughout the region and we've really done that.

We're a respected nation again. A lot has happened in the last couple of weeks. We are actually a very respected nation again. I ended the last administration's de facto arms embargo on over $1 billion, in military assistance for Israel. And I'm also pleased to announce that this afternoon, the United States withdrew from the anti-Semitic UN Human Rights Council and ended all of the support for the UN Relief and Works Agency, which funneled money to Hamas, and which was very disloyal to humanity.

Question 00:18:46-00:19:06 (20 sec)

Mr. President, can a normalization deal with Saudi Arabia be achieved without the acknowledgment of a Palestinian state? That question for you, too, Mr. Prime Minister. And Mr. President, given what you've said about Gaza, did the US send troops to help secure the security vacuum?

Donald Trump 00:19:06-00:19:29 (24 sec)

So, Saudi Arabia is going to be very helpful. And they have been very helpful. They want peace in the Middle East. It's very simple. Uh, we know their leader and their leaders very well. They are wonderful people. And they want peace in the Middle East. As far as Gaza is concerned, we will do what is necessary.

If it's necessary, we'll do that. We're going to take over that place and we're going to develop it, create thousands and thousands of jobs. And it will be something that the entire Middle East can be very proud of.

But everybody feels that continuing the same process that's gone on forever over and over again and then it starts and then the killing starts, and all of the other problems start, and you end up in the same place and we don't want to see that happen. So, by the United States, with its stability and strength, owning it, especially the strength that we're developing and developed over the last fairly short period of time, I would say really since the election, I think we'll be a great keeper of something that is very, very strong, very powerful and very, very good for the area, not just for Israel, for the entire Middle East.

It's very important and we'll again have thousands of jobs. And there will be jobs for everyone, not for a specific group of people, but for everybody. OK? Please.

Question 00:21:08-00:21:26 (18 sec)

First of all, President Trump, did you hear from Prime Minister Netanyahu [Inaudible] guarantees that the ceasefire will go on, including Phase 2? And Prime Minister Netanyahu, for you. Why are you refusing to set up a national commission to investigate the failure of the project?

Donald Trump 00:21:26-00:21:51 (24 sec)

Well, I can't tell you whether or not the ceasefire will hold. We've done I think a very masterful job. We weren't helped very much by the Biden administration. I can tell you that. But we've gotten quite a few hostages out. We're going to get more out. But we're dealing with very complex people, and we are going to see whether or not it holds.

We certainly want to have more come out. They've come out damaged in many ways, damaged, very damaged people. But they're going to get better and they're going to be strong and they're going to have a good life. And we hope to get as many as possible out. Whether or not it holds, I don't know. We hope it holds.

We hope it holds.

Question 00:22:44-00:23:07 (22 sec)

Mr. President, you are outlining something that is really quite striking. You are talking about -- OK, thank you. Mr. President, Mr. Prime Minister, you are talking tonight about the United States taking over a sovereign territory. What authority would allow you to do that? Are you talking about a permanent occupation there, redevelopment?

Question 00:23:07-00:23:26 (19 sec)

And Mr. Prime Minister, do you see this idea as a way to expand the boundaries of Israel and to have a longer peace, even though the Israeli people know how important that land is to you and your citizens just as the space is inherited by the Palestinians as well?

Donald Trump 00:23:26-00:23:53 (27 sec)

I do see a long-term ownership position and I see it bringing great stability to that part of the Middle East, and maybe the entire Middle East. And everybody I've spoken to -- this was not a decision made lightly. Everybody I've spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent in a really magnificent area that nobody would know.

Nobody can look because all they see is death and destruction and rubble and demolished buildings falling all over. It's just a terrible, terrible sight. I've studied it --

Donald Trump 00:24:05-00:24:25 (21 sec)

I've studied this very closely over a lot of months, and I've seen it from every different angle. And it's a very, very dangerous place to be and it's only going to get worse. And I think this is an idea that's gotten tremendous -- and I'm talking about from the highest level of leadership, gotten tremendous praise.

Donald Trump 00:24:25-00:24:34 (8 sec)

And if the United States can help to bring stability and peace in the Middle East, we'll do that. Bibi?

Benjamin Netanyahu 00:24:34-00:24:48 (15 sec)

I mentioned again tonight our three goals and the third goal is to make sure that Gaza never poses a threat to Israel again. President Trump is taking it to a much higher level. He sees a different --

Donald Trump 00:24:48-00:25:14 (26 sec)

-- he sees a different future for that piece of land that has been the focus of so much terrorism, so much -- so many attacks against us. So, many trials and so many tribulations. He has a different idea, and I think it's worth paying attention to this. We're talking about it, he's exploring it with his people, with his staff.

I think it's something that could change history and it's worthwhile really pursuing this avenue.

Question 00:26:34-00:26:46 (12 sec)

How much time you think it will take? Mr. President, do you support Israeli sovereignty in Judea and Samaria areas, which many believe is the biblical homeland of the Jewish people?

Donald Trump 00:26:46-00:27:05 (19 sec)

Well, we're discussing that with many of your representatives. You're represented very well, and people do like the idea, but we haven't taken a position on it yet. But we will be -- we'll be making an announcement probably on that very specific topic over the next four weeks.

Question 00:27:10-00:27:25 (15 sec)

Thank you so much, Mr. President. So, you just said -- OK. You just said that you think all the Palestinians should be relocated to other countries. Does that mean that you do not support the two-state solution?

Donald Trump 00:27:25-00:27:48 (23 sec)

It doesn't mean anything about a two-state or a one-state or any other state. It means that we want to have -- we want to give people a chance at life. They have never had a chance at life because the Gaza Strip has been a hellhole for people living there. It's been horrible. Hamas has made it so bad, so bad, so dangerous, so unfair to people.

Donald Trump 00:27:48-00:28:08 (20 sec)

And by doing what I'm recommending that we do, it's a very strong recommendation, but it is a strong recommendation. By doing that we think we're going to bring perhaps great peace to long beyond this area. And I have to stress, this is not for Israel, this is for everybody in the Middle East -- Arabs, Muslims -- this is for everybody.

This would be where they can partake in terms of jobs and living and all of the other benefits. And I think it's very important. It just doesn't work the other way. You can't keep trying. They just -- has been going along for so many decades you can't even count. You just can't keep doing -- you have to learn from history.

You can't keep doing the same mistake over and over again. Gaza is a hellhole right now. It was before the bombing started frankly. And we're going to give people a chance to live in a beautiful community that's safe and secure. And I think you're going to see tremendous -- a tremendous outflowing of support.

I can tell you, I spoke to other leaders of countries in the Middle East and they love the idea. They say it would really bring stability and what we need is stability.

Question 00:38:02-00:38:15 (12 sec)

Just a follow up on what you were saying about the Gazans leaving Gaza going to other countries. One, where exactly are you suggesting that they should go? And two, are you saying they should return after it's rebuilt? And if not, who do you envision living there?

Donald Trump 00:38:15-00:38:34 (20 sec)

I envision a world -- people living there, the world's people. I think you'll make that into an international, unbelievable place. I think the potential in the Gaza Strip is unbelievable. And I think the entire world, representatives from all over the world will be there and they'll --

Question 00:38:34-00:38:35 (1 sec)

[Inaudible] Palestinians?

Donald Trump 00:38:35-00:38:56 (21 sec)

And they'll live there. Palestinians also. Palestinians will live there, many people will live there. But they've tried the other and they've tried it for decades and decades and decades. It's not going to work it work. It didn't work. It will never work. And you have to learn from history. History has -- you know, you just can't let it keep repeating itself.

We have an opportunity to do something that could be phenomenal. And I don't want to be cute. I don't want to be a wise guy. But the Riviera of the Middle East, this could be something that could be so --

This could be so magnificent. But more importantly than that is the people that have been absolutely destroyed that live there now can live in peace in a much better situation because they are living in hell. And those people will now be able to live in peace. We'll make sure that it's done world class.

It will be wonderful for the people. Palestinians, Palestinians mostly we're talking about. And I have a feeling that despite them saying no, I have a feeling that the king in Jordan and that the general president -- but that the general in Egypt will open their hearts and will give us the kind of land that we need to get this done, and people can live in harmony and in peace.

Donald Trump 00:39:52-00:40:05 (13 sec)

Thank you all, very much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Fulham Broadway 16,980]

3 hours ago, YorkshireBlue said:

Sick of hearing free Palestine, want our help when it suits, but hate our way of life, need to make there minds up.

Hahaha Ive never heard a Palestinian say 'I hate your way of life' 🤣

Presumably youre on about fundamental islamic nutters. Gaza and the West Bank is a myriad of people, Christians, atheists etc