The Roberto Di Matteo Thread

[CHOULO19 24,332]

Nah, this is just a cherry on the top of all the bullshit I keep on reading here. It has nothing to do with that particular member, because I quoted him for the first or second time. This is a general feeling I've been having for quite some time, and not just me but some other members who have been here longer than I have.

I believe the quality posters have stopped writing because they see no sense in wasting their time trying to prove some points to, and I don't care if you ban me now, idiots.

TC was a great place once, now its a shadow of that place. Go figure why.

PS. Cult of RDM !

So there is more "bullshit" because there are less people who agree with your opinions?

Please remember that this is a forum. Everyone has the freedom to express any opinion they want as long as they don't break any forum rules. But the only member breaking rules here was you. So please don't curse at members who are only expressing an opinion.

[The Mak 4,459]

Where did I say he was 'afraid'. Again, i don't know if it's a language thing but you're really not making any sense. You're trying to disagree but you're really struggling to find a reason. Maybe you should stick to calling supporters who attend matches 'plastic', because you articulate that sentimentally very clearly.

And maybe you should stick to discriminating against supporters who can't attend matches, because you articulate that sentimentally very clearly...but you don't, however, have the sense to back it up with anything remotely logical.

[The only place to be 11,313]

There maybe are a few who have strength of character, or are already financially secure enough (more likely in my view), to badly enough want to prove themselves. AVB took very few risks because:

1. He'd had two managerial jobs, one generally perceived as successful and the other that was neither good or bad. Even if our role was in fact poor there's enough ammo for the scenario to be perceived by most as AVB just being the latest 'casualty' of the Chelsea managerial merry-go-round.
2. He's inherited a good squad with a team that was regarded as improving. His reputation may have been slightly effected by his time with us, but not disastrously so. Proving doubters wrong may have been in there a bit, however there wasn't that much risk in my view.
3. It would appear that he took little risk financially, and therefore my own feeling is that the Rottenham job was convenient.

Now, personally and only from what I see and have heard (which may well be scurrilous rumour) it sounds like he's an odious little ego-maniac with some nasty ways about him and this may have tainted my view.

RDM's scenario is a bit different in that he possibly knows himself he'll not get a gig like ours again and any other job he does get will be a massive step down the ladder in terms of employment package, that's why I'd do the same in his scenario. He'll get a job - if he wants one, at the end of his deal. It's just that it won't be one that's near the one he had with us. He's had his two years money from us plus the years on the deal he'll get with his new job, guess at 3 years. That'll be 5 years money as opposed to 4, if he took a job now - equals no-brainer to me

The bolded bit is how I feel about him....but I can point to a few recently retired cantankerous whisky-nosed gits who fit that same criteria.

I agree with what you say about Robbie too. I don't begrudge him his payoff either because he earned it. I'm just being realistic about his situation - he doesn't have top four clubs knocking on his door and he doesn't seem to have the desire to go to a mid-table side and work his way back up again. I think that's possibly because there's a realisation that the risks outweigh the rewards when he looks at what he could realistically do in such a role.

And maybe you should stick to discriminating against supporters who can't attend matches, because you articulate that sentimentally very clearly...but you don't, however, have the sense to back it up with anything remotely logical.

I think it's born out of a childhood dealing with gloryhunting United shits who bought the shirts and took the piss but didn't actually have any discernible connection with the club.

[bushman 2,043]

In the eyes of several posters here, you do not attend Chelsea games personally, you are " not the real deal. "

I´d say to those, stick your opinion to the place where the Sun does not shine.

All opinions should be valued here. Some you may agree with, others you may not.

As for RDM. He was not good enough for Chelsea, at least to me.

Chelsea won CL under his guidance if one can say that, but played atrociously.

Roman gave him the contract reluctantly. Today, he enjoys 130k a week. Pretty good in my opinion.

[Rmpr 8,977]

Where did I say he was 'afraid'. Again, i don't know if it's a language thing but you're really not making any sense. You're trying to disagree but you're really struggling to find a reason. Maybe you should stick to calling supporters who attend matches 'plastic', because you articulate that sentimentally very clearly.

You said RDM's problem is that he doesnt want to go out there and prove himself because he knows he isnt a great manager. What conclusion should one make out of that?

You also said fair play to AVB for getting another job and criticized Di Matteo for not doing the same because he is only interested in cashing in. Well, fuck that!

I am not trying to disagree, I AM disagreeing...

1) AVB was an exception because he not only had a good offer from a good team, but he was bitter and wanted to prove to Roman he could manage at a top level. I even reminded you that both Scolari and Ancelotti didnt accept any jobs until the clause had expired to show to you how RDM is not being afraid of anything, he is just securing his financial stability before he resumes his career at another club.

2) Roberto gave his all for the club and was still fired for no reason (our team wasnt good enough to beat Shakthar and Juventus, it was not his fault). He doesnt need to prove anyhting for anybody, he has all the right to cash in.

3) You are been a fucking hypocrite about it, no one here would take an immense pay-cut to coach a midsize table team!

4) I dont have any language difficulties, lol. I obviously dont have a perfect accent, but I am better than some British members when it comes to writing. So your pathetic attempt to get a dig at me wont work.

5) I have no problem is calling fans, who go to the Bridge and do absolutely nothing to cheer up the team, plastic. Buying tickets to see Chelsea doesnt put you in a special category!

Anyway, I am not getting anything out of that discussion. Keep with your outdated way of thinking and leave the members of this forum alone...

[The only place to be 11,313]

You said RDM's problem is that he doesnt want to go out there and prove himself because he knows he isnt a great manager. What conclusion should one make out of that?

That he's realistic about his own abilities. That doesn't make him 'afraid'. Do you understand?

You also said fair play to AVB for getting another job and criticized Di Matteo for not doing the same because he is only interested in cashing in. Well, fuck that!

No. No I didn't.

I am not trying to disagree, I AM disagreeing...

Oh that's very clear. You seem to have an almighty disagreement with not only what I've written, but also what I haven't written.

In fact your major disagreement seems to be with the plain of existence within which the words I've written exist, such that you've disappeared off to another one all together.

1) AVB was an exception because he not only had a good offer from a good team, but he was bitter and wanted to prove to Roman he could manage at a top level. I even reminded you that both Scolari and Ancelotti didnt accept any jobs until the clause had expired to show to you how RDM is not being afraid of anything, he is just securing his financial stability before he resumes his career at another club.

I really am not interested in this point, but weren't Ancelotti and Scolari paid off in full rather than getting the same deal AVB and Robbie got?

2) Roberto gave his all for the club and was still fired for no reason (our team wasnt good enough to beat Shakthar and Juventus, it was not his fault). He doesnt need to prove anyhting for anybody, he has all the right to cash in.

He was fired for the same reason he couldn't get a job before we hired him, and for the same reason he hasn't been given a 'top' job since....the perception is that he's not a top-class manager.

3) You are been a fucking hypocrite about it, no one here would take an immense pay-cut to coach a midsize table team!

On this I disagree. I think there are plenty of people who have the drive and determination to prove their worth in a role that they would take a financial hit for a chance at glory or enhancement of their reputation.

Considering you know fuck all about my life and employment history (unless someone's been divulging more of my personal info) you're really not in a position to call me a hypocrite, but that's more semantics than anything else....continue.

4) I dont have any language difficulties, lol. I obviously dont have a perfect accent, but I am better than some British members when it comes to writing. So your pathetic attempt to get a dig at me wont work.

(no gold star emoticon).

5) I have no problem is calling fans, who go to the Bridge and do absolutely nothing to cheer up the team, plastic. Buying tickets to see Chelsea doesnt put you in a special category!

Apparently it puts you in the category where some boy in Brazil can sit at his keyboard and call you plastic. Personally I see blokes who have been going to the Bridge for years who turned up in hailstorms to watch us play Southampton when it wasn't the cool thing to do - I wouldn't label them plastic....but then I rarely take my keyboard to matches to hide behind.

Anyway, I am not getting anything out of that discussion. Keep with your outdated way of thinking and leave the members of this forum alone...

And you leave the supporters in the stands alone. Deal.

[Jase 43,479]

While I'm not dismissing some of the thoughts brought up as a reason why RDM hasn't got back to management yet, I find rather hilarious that many or just some are jumping to conclusions and assumed these thoughts are the facts and reasons why he doesn't or hasn't return to football management. We don't even know much about this and all we get are just rumours and speculations and yet, so much has been said or blown out of proportion about this. Then again with the power of Internet today, there are just too many armchair critics around who like to take the moral high ground.

[The only place to be 11,313]

While I'm not dismissing some of the thoughts brought up as a reason why RDM hasn't got back to management yet, I find rather hilarious that many or just some are jumping to conclusions and assumed these thoughts are the facts and reasons why he doesn't or hasn't return to football management. We don't even know much about this and all we get are just rumours and speculations and yet, so much has been said or blown out of proportion about this. Then again with the power of Internet today, there are just too many armchair critics around who like to take the moral high ground.

[Rmpr 8,977]

I really am not interested in this point, but weren't Ancelotti and Scolari paid off in full rather than getting the same deal AVB and Robbie got?

Even though we payed their release clause, it stated in their contract that they couldnt manage a top European team for something around 2 years nor could they talk about the reasons they were fired or else they would lose the money.

He was fired for the same reason he couldn't get a job before we hired him, and for the same reason he hasn't been given a 'top' job since....the perception is that he's not a top-class manager.

He was fired for no justifiable reason. No other manager would have done better than he did. He had a tough schedulle and managed to stay second in the league and continue in the Capital One Cup.

If the club felt he wasnt the guy in which they wanted to go foward with, they could have very well waited for the season to end.

On this I disagree. I think there are plenty of people who have the drive and determination to prove their worth in a role that they would take a financial hit for a chance at glory or enhancement of their reputation.

Considering you know fuck all about my life and employment history (unless someone's been divulging more of my personal info) you're really not in a position to call me a hypocrite, but that's more semantics than anything else....continue.

Oh yeah, people driven by determination would definitely deny 130k/week to go out there and manage the mighty Fulham so they could enchance their reputation (while they could just wait until 2014 and get a job elsewhere after receiving their payment).

Apparently it puts you in the category where some boy in Brazil can sit at his keyboard and call you plastic. Personally I see blokes who have been going to the Bridge for years who turned up in hailstorms to watch us play Southampton when it wasn't the cool thing to do - I wouldn't label them plastic....but then I rarely take my keyboard to matches to hide behind.

Blokes who go to hailstorms (wow, so brave) but cant even shout when we are losing to WBA at home?

Sorry, but this is not supporting your team, this is paying 50 pounds to sit down and drink Singha Beer. Fans have a duty to back up their team and make noise. Even Jose is irritated with the lack of support te home fans are giving.

I bet the club can put 41k manequims in the stands that it wont make much of a difference...

[The only place to be 11,313]

I bet the club can put 41k manequims in the stands that it wont make much of a difference...

[Rmpr 8,977]

And you leave the supporters in the stands alone. Deal.

But I dont have any problems with the supporters, I just criticize whenever they are voiceless.

I have spoken to at least 3-4 season ticket holders in here and they all agree with my criticisms. You are the only one who thinks people who got Stamford Bridge are untouchable and cant ever be criticized by someone else!

Is it a lie?

[The only place to be 11,313]

But I dont have any problems with the supporters, I just criticize whenever they are voiceless.

I have spoken to at least 3-4 season ticket holders in here and they all agree with my criticisms. You are the only one who thinks people who got Stamford Bridge are untouchable and cant ever be criticized by someone else!

I have no problem with supporters of this club moaning about the noise levels.