On the 8th December 2001

[Tomo 21,733]

Manchester United lost 1-0 at home to West Ham,

it was their second home defeat in a row.

Their 3rd home defeat out of 5.

3rd defeat in a row.

Lost 5 of the previous 7.

Most striking off all however is it left them languasing in NINTH PLACE in the league.

Fergie turned it around and finished 3rd and the next season won the league.

Moral of the story, judge AVB after 2/3 season's not 4 months.

[Stamford Heart 16]

Yeah , we can't judge AVB now , even with careless players , those players let ancelotti Down .

So AVB is looking ugly with them , no spirit no nothing .

players are killing us by their shity show every god damn week !

I agree with ya

[manpe 10,861]

If we get over this slump and finish anywhere between 2-4th place, we will look back and say that we overreacted in hindsight.... It's a good comparison, but future which we will later call history needs to be written day by day, not find solace and hope on what happened 10 years ago to another team. But saying that, I do hope we will have the right to be all smart and all come May and say that we overreacted... although it won't change anything in terms of how we view the team, the mask's off and it's blatantly visible that in order to replicate what ManU did the season after, we will need changes. It essentially won't matter on which position we finish at in the end, although financially and commercially (and for AVB's job security) it should be in top 4 for obvious reasons... Top 4 is still very much a realistic objective, who disagrees, is just simply being overly pessimistic.. Look at Arsenal, in the beginning all fingers were pointed at them, now they are pointed at us and none of us dares to make fun of them anymore.. Things change oh so quickly in football.

[Kieran. 6,317]

I hate when people make points like this. What Fergie did in 2001 has NOTHING to do with what has happened/will happen with AVB.

[We Hate Scouse 10,286]

I hate when people make points like this. What Fergie did in 2001 has NOTHING to do with what has happened/will happen with AVB.

Same!!! Really winds me up when people compare AVB and Fergie suggesting it will turn out the same.

[Fulham Broadway 16,849]

Fergie was/is a wily, animal cunning Scot -AVB = technocrat nice guy -completely different mindset

[Ollie 4,400]

The premiership was a hell of a lot weaker in 2001, they could come back. Today, when u find yourself in this position, there's only pride to fight for.

[Corazón De León 58]

AVB needs to stop being so nice though... Like Ferguson, hes got to be strict with the players!!! They let poor Carlo down and he was too kind to do anything... So AVB... dont make the same mistakes!!

[LDN Blue 7,903]

I give André time still. It's just a real gut-wrenching feeling to loose to both Liverpool & Arsenal already