🇧🇪 Romelu Lukaku

[Tomo 21,751]

Oh come on, everyone who thought Lukaku would have gotten a decent chance at Chelsea needs to take a look at Remy. That poor guy has never disappointed and now he's third in line after Falcao. The guy is a French international and he's wasting the best years of his career on the bench for a name that doesn't seem to deliver anymore (does it ring a bell?).

Cheap strikers are doomed here. Remy is an idiot for staying actually.

How is he bang average btw? He's 22 and he's one of the top ten strikers (top 5 in his best form) in the biggest league in the world. No one thought he'd be another Pele.

Top 10, top 5 on best form? Roll back 5 years and that was Darren Bent, yet I wouldn't have him at Chelsea.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Top 10, top 5 on best form? Roll back 5 years and that was Darren Bent, yet I wouldn't have him at Chelsea.

Oh so because one guy failed to deliver somewhere in the past, this automatically means Lukaku will do so as well. Last year was arguably his worst since the one he wasted warming the Chelsea bench and he still scored 20 goals in all competitions and became the EL top scorer. What a loser.

Give me 10 strikers playing in the premier league now that are consistently better. Aguero, Costa (although when was the last time he was actually good?), we'll see about Kane in the season to come, maybe Benteke (not consistently though). Rooney hasn't been a real striker in years... Who else? 5 more names. Go for it. ;-)

[Tomo 21,751]

Oh so because one guy failed to deliver somewhere in the past, this automatically means Lukaku will do so as well. Last year was arguably his worst since the one he wasted warming the Chelsea bench and he still scored 20 goals in all competitions and became the EL top scorer. What a loser.

Give me 10 strikers playing in the premier league now that are consistently better. Aguero, Costa (although when was the last time he was actually good?), we'll see about Kane in the season to come, maybe Benteke (not consistently though). Rooney hasn't been a real striker in years... Who else? 5 more names. Go for it. ;-)

That's the thing, Bent didn't fail to deliever, I brought him u because he is similar to Lukaku in terms of the fact he is a very good PL goalscorer but lacks the all round game to make it to the very very top.

If Lukaku does get a gig at a top club again he will score goals that I have no doubt, but the best teams need more than just that from a forward, despite being a roaring personal success, United actually suffered big time as a collective while Van Nisseroy was there.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

That's the thing, Bent didn't fail to deliever, I brought him u because he is similar to Lukaku in terms of the fact he is a very good PL goalscorer but lacks the all round game to make it to the very very top.

If Lukaku does get a gig at a top club again he will score goals that I have no doubt, but the best teams need more than just that from a forward, despite being a roaring personal success, United actually suffered big time as a collective while Van Nisseroy was there.

The discussion was not about whether or not Lukaku is going to eventually succeed playing for a top club, it was about whether leaving Chelsea was a smart decision or showing a lack of ambition. I gave Rémy as an example of someone who decided to stay but is never going to get a decent role in the squad. Lukaku was in the same boat.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

This said: why are there so few top tier strikers playing in the premier league? Aguero might be the only one that could be considered one of the very best on a global level.

Italy has Tevez, Higuain and now Bacca
France has Zlatan, Cavani

Germany has... Lewandowski I guess

Spain has well, every one else actually. It's not even close.

Actually, damn, there are not many world class strikers these days.

Is it just me or were there much more at the end of the 90s early 2000s?: Ronaldo, Del Piero, Batistuta, Inzaghi, Henry, Trezeguet, Anelka, Bergkamp, Kluivert, Makaay, Hasselbaink, Zola, Van Nistelrooy, Owen, Yorke, Shevchenko, Suker, Bierhoff, Klose, Totti, Raul, Shearer, Crespo, Jardel, Rivaldo,...

There's many more... All these guys played in approximately the same period. Makes this generation (let's forget about Messi and Ronaldo for a while) look like bums in comparison. Even a guy like Solskjaer - who was never much more than a super sub for Utd, would probably walk into any premier league team except for City this season.

[Tomo 21,751]

This said: why are there so few top tier strikers playing in the premier league? Aguero might be the only one that could be considered one of the very best on a global level.

Italy has Tevez, Higuain and now Bacca

France has Zlatan, Cavani

Germany has... Lewandowski I guess

Spain has well, every one else actually. It's not even close.

Actually, damn, there are not many world class strikers these days.

Is it just me or were there much more at the end of the 90s early 2000s?

I would add Costa to that list, I've explained my reason for that in his thread.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

I would add Costa to that list, I've explained my reason for that in his thread.

Well, if he starts scoring goals again, he can be on the list.

[robsblubot 3,595]

You know that that the numerous coaches Chelsea club employs do watch the almost daily practices, fitness training sessions, tests, run physicals on players so they know how well their lungs work, etc and thousand other things we have no clue about.

With all that information at their disposal, they make decisions concerning current ability and potential ability/development. Potential, Lukaku's case, is far more difficult to assess because it involves a number of different variables that these professionals not have access to.

On the other hand, current potential is far easier to assess: Remy doesn't play because he does not impress in training. Perhaps he does well in training as he does well most of the time he plays. Costa is a lot better than Remy and Falcao if regaining any sort of fitness, is twice the player, so I really don't understand what people want from Remy... win the CL with him up front? Honestly, that's delusional.

Concerning Lukaku, which is what this thread is about anyway, I don't blame the club considering how far off he is/was from becoming the player we needed. The question was really about whether he was willing to wait or not (going on loan once again) and he chose to play. It was probably right for him as he needs the time and the minutes to become a better player.

I'd still be surprised if he ever becomes a world class striker, as I think his ceiling is much lower than that due to his limited technique.

[Spike 12,049]

This said: why are there so few top tier strikers playing in the premier league? Aguero might be the only one that could be considered one of the very best on a global level.

Italy has Tevez, Higuain and now Bacca

France has Zlatan, Cavani

Germany has... Lewandowski I guess

Spain has well, every one else actually. It's not even close.

Actually, damn, there are not many world class strikers these days.

Is it just me or were there much more at the end of the 90s early 2000s?: Ronaldo, Del Piero, Batistuta, Inzaghi, Henry, Trezeguet, Anelka, Bergkamp, Kluivert, Makaay, Hasselbaink, Zola, Van Nistelrooy, Owen, Yorke, Shevchenko, Suker, Bierhoff, Klose, Totti, Raul, Shearer, Crespo, Jardel, Rivaldo,...

There's many more... All these guys played in approximately the same period. Makes this generation (let's forget about Messi and Ronaldo for a while) look like bums in comparison. Even a guy like Solskjaer - who was never much more than a super sub for Utd, would probably walk into any premier league team except for City this season.

Tevez is in Argentina.

[johnnythefirst 1,076]

Hmm, didn't catch that transfer apparently.

[DaddysHobby 60]

Poor touches per game

1,5 for Lukaku ... touches MD1(47), MD2(45)

3,5 for Costa ... touches MD1(44), MD2(44)

Last season Lukaku still managed to bag 20 goals (including those that made him EL top scorer), despite the whole team playing woefully and providing almost no service. On the bright side he had very few poor touches per game and now looks eager to put his worst season behind him.

Mirallas probably won't start (eventhough he returned from injury) and it's a shame that Yarmolenko hasn't joined Everton (yet) ... would be great if they can take points from Man City but guessing it won't be another Lukaku day.

[didierforever 7,349]

what hogwash,,, he has an "elephant's touch " apparently. or that he cant play with his back to the goal.

i mean some of the most lol-max opinions.

[Reddish-Blue 2,510]

I would add Costa to that list, I've explained my reason for that in his thread.

Costa is good but he doesn't deserve to be on the "world-class" list

[The Skipper 20,609]

what hogwash,,, he has an "elephant's touch " apparently. or that he cant play with his back to the goal.

i mean some of the most lol-max opinions.

Lukaku's technical abilities (i.e. his first touch and link up play) has always been the weakest part of his game, it's not lol-max opinions at all. Funny that you only try to bring this up when he's in form and doing alright.

[didierforever 7,349]

Lukaku's technical abilities (i.e. his first touch and link up play) has always been the weakest part of his game, it's not lol-max opinions at all. Funny that you only try to bring this up when he's in form and doing alright.

his technical abilities were always pretty good. infact they seem to be better than our main man's.

[The Skipper 20,609]

his technical abilities were always pretty good. infact they seem to be better than our main man's.

I never once saw you say this when he was here before or even last season when people were saying the exact same thing. You're just saying this off the back of one of his best games (by far) in an Everton shirt. Never have I seen you defend his technical abilities.

Lukaku does not link up or hold up play as well as Costa does, not even debatable IMO.

[didierforever 7,349]

I never once saw you say this when he was here before or even last season when people were saying the exact same thing. You're just saying this off the back of one of his best games (by far) in an Everton shirt. Never have I seen you defend his technical abilities.

Lukaku does not link up or hold up play as well as Costa does, not even debatable IMO.

i did not cos thats the trend of the forum.

people like someone - he is the best ever. nothing can be wrong.

people dont like him - they find the smallest fault of it and keep piling on and over exageratiing it.

i dont reply to the KDB thread too where people say things like he is a coward or has no ambition and all that bullshit. time will take over of it. but it does not mean i agree with it.

similarly, lukaku's back to the goal play is not his strong point, but the way people talked about it, u would think he is some idiot stealing a living. also, as far as his link up goes, its probably better than costa's.

[The Skipper 20,609]

i did not cos thats the trend of the forum.

people like someone - he is the best ever. nothing can be wrong.

people dont like him - they find the smallest fault of it and keep piling on and over exageratiing it.

i dont reply to the KDB thread too where people say things like he is a coward or has no ambition and all that bullshit. time will take over of it. but it does not mean i agree with it.

similarly, lukaku's back to the goal play is not his strong point, but the way people talked about it, u would think he is some idiot stealing a living. also, as far as his link up goes, its probably better than costa's.

It wasn't just the trend in this forum though, it was general consensus even amongst Everton fans.

From back in the thread:

"Losing patience.... a top striker should have looked at their back 4 today and been licking his lips at the prospect. As our record signing he is bound to get over analysed, but I think we are entitled to ask for a lot more than what we are getting at the moment."

"He is what he is. Someone who struggles to control the ball, lazy at times and barely looks like a footballer. Then in a month or two he'll score 6 in 7 and we'll be saying how amazing he is. I suspect he'll be this way all his career, he might be young but I dont think you iron out those flaws, you can either control a ball or you cant."

"I dont know whether to bring out some "I told you so" quotes or cry at the fact we have spent 28M (near enough our whole budget) on a striker who cant trap or control the ball, and has average at best technique? Help please.

Some will still try and make excuses though as they just don't want to face the facts sadly."

"Lukaku...

Terrible first touch, offside or miles away from the play today and in many other games recently too. I mean, why isn't he in the box all the time, he's our centre forward for gods sake. Wide left or wide right isn't the place he should be playing, he's technically not good enough in those areas."

"You cant coach a player on how to control a ball.. This are abilities you are born with so u either got it or you dont.. He hasnt got it sadly and saying his only 21 is just refusing to face facts that we have spunked our 28m up the wall.. He can still be a decent player for us but he wont be the world beater many on here keep going on about. Wonder if Martinez still thinks he was a bargain, who is he kidding costa is a bargain."

http://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/lukaku.67134/page-568

It really isn't just on here that people have this opinion that Lukaku is technically limited and that he struggles to control a ball and link up well. One game doesn't change that.

[didierforever 7,349]

It wasn't just the trend in this forum though, it was general consensus even amongst Everton fans.

From back in the thread:

It really isn't just on here that people have this opinion that Lukaku is technically limited and that he struggles to control a ball and link up well. One game doesn't change that.

i have watched many everton days, and i can easily say that his "technical ability" is not half as poor as those comments on there.

infact, we can even see the stats to say that his "so called elephant's first touch" is better than our no.1 striker's.

[The Skipper 20,609]

i have watched many everton days, and i can easily say that his "technical ability" is not half as poor as those comments on there.

infact, we can even see the stats to say that his "so called elephant's first touch" is better than our no.1 striker's.

Those same stats have the likes of Alexis Sanchez and Sterling (IIRC) losing the ball just as much as Costa does, doesn't mean Lukaku is better than either technically does it.