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we've been attacking well when he doesn't touch the ball, lol every single time I can remember he touched it in the final third, he messed up has been okay defensively - although not properly tested must be said

We've been playing well. It seems like we actually know how to attack. I'm shocked

According Brazilian commentator - who has talked to the Brazilian players - the squad is unhappy with Mourinho because it seems he says different things to them than to the media.

I understand and agree, Nour. I'm not focusing on how it became what it is. We all know (or should know) how the process was. While you're focusing on who are the ultimate guilty ones in this and how it came to be, I'm simply addressing that money and attacks fueled people that have little to no sanity on them (which is the overwhelming minority, thankfully). At this point, I think discussing how it came to be is moot. People easily blame the Islam, or the middle east countries and it's easy for people to ignore or not even know the root of it all and as such I understand why you feel the need to bring aspects that aren't known to many people. The thing is, the root of it all doesn't matter anymore - personally I couldn't care less about who's blamed or isn't at this point. Something must be done to stop it - anything as long as it actually stops it. We can have the moral talk, I just feel right now, this isn't as important as addressing the current situation. And that's the part I disagree with you. It isn't as simple as not attacking or funding them anyone. A monster has been created and I don't think Western countries such as France, England and US can stop the extremists by only stopping funding (US) or attacking (the rest). Which doesn't mean I'm saying they should continue to fund, attack and fuel the conflict. It means it's way more complex than cutting them off financially and 'motivationally'. And I think what they did in France is as bad as some random groups killing Christians in Egypt, recording, posting and sending threatening messages. Which is why I think you're dismissing the religious aspect way too much. You aren't lying in your points, I agree with them, I just think they're way too moralist (not in a bad way) and enlightening about what really happens in the political aspect, but very much dismissive about the religious aspect, which imo is a big aspect of everything going on. I'm sorry if I believe there way too many problems in the way Islam deals with some subjects. The same way I have a lot of problems with how Europe and the Americas were christianized. Islam became the new Christianity in terms of insane use of violence to get their message through - be it combating a cause like ISIS or being simply religion intolerance like killing whoever isn't what they are. It came to my knowledge recently that it's now part of Islam law (not sure in which countries, if it's a global thing, or in some places) that a man can rape any unclaimed woman they come across and it won't be considered a crime. I'm very open to all kinds of beliefs and people's freedom to choose whatever, including atheism (my best friend at workplace is an atheist), but I can't help the feeling (and this is simply that, a feeling) it's harder and harder to respect some aspects of things intrinsically linked to the practice of certain degrees of Islam. Which doesn't mean I generalize all of them. Just some practices like the ones I mentioned and many others I won't bother. Maybe I'm way too far in the Western to know all the cultural, local aspects that makes it okay to rape a woman or mutilate her (if it was done to men/children I'd feel the same way), or maybe I'm just a poster child of what some of the propaganda wants to make western people believe about Islam and that is that I associate some degrees of Islam to violence. I have no problem with muslins (the people or the faith) - the person I have the best and most personal relationship in this forum is a muslin - I have real life friends who are muslins - which is why I don't consider myself an islamophobe. I feel like there are two sides of muslin. The one I call muslin lite (and I don't mean it as offensive, I just can't find another way to describe it and I certainly don't restrict it only to Islam, all religions can be lite or extremist) - which is the ordinary people with their own personal beliefs just like there are ordinary people who are christians, jews, hindi, agnostic, buddhist, atheist. The other group is the more literal people and we also have those in every religion I mentioned above, but I feel like a literal muslin is causing much more damage today than most of the others literals (except maybe the jews, who are also very violent). Those people take part in terrorism attacks, in killing people from other religions, rape women and mutilate them and I'm sure many more things I'm thankfully not aware of. And that's why it's so hard for me to accept your strong reasoning that all of this was created simply by political moves. That's what Nazism was about, Hittler used only political and psychological strategies to engage people in his plans of killing millions of people and starting a world war. The current situations associated to the Islam can't be only justified by Western opportunism and thirsty for power and money. The literal creed seems to be intrinsically violent but thankfully most people that have the belief don't practice it too literally. Again, I don't want to offend anyone. The only reason a person could feel offended by my post is if they think it's okay to do what was done to France, to kill and torture people because they have different beliefs, to torture or rape any human being because yours beliefs say it's okay. If that's not the case of whoever reads this post, then my post isn't directed at you. I just felt like by highlighting the political aspect, the religious aspect was disregarded and I believe both are equally bad.

I think you're underestimating a huge fact in the discussion, Nour... which is religious extremists are crazy people. When no one attacks they'll kill because some small newspaper in France made fun of their faith. I agree with most of what you said, but Western countries are just taking advantage of something they didn't create themselves and who definitely won't end if they stop funding and attacking. They turned a small thing into a giant and I don't think it's so simple to stop it now. Even without funding and attacks now, I believe they can still orchestrate any attack (albeit smaller) they want and as those people aren't sane, it doesn't need much for them to feel motivated.

not what I meant. As many said, if we switch to 4-3-3 and have more athletic players beside him in the middle, he will feed the three forwards better than anyone in this team. He has limitations and there are some games we shouldn't play him at all, but the system exposes him and the fact most players are in terrible form (as a consequence of the system, but also their own), it maximizes. I don't think he jeopardizes a whole system, and with a better approach, the team can be more offensive, Hazard can run the show and Cesc can be what he does better: a guy with incredible view and execution. He's too smart to be used like he's been.

we've said way too many times that the current system (and others' lack of form) is the problem more than his own form. People just want to get rid of him because some of them barely ever got over his gunner past. He has his limitations, but when a team offers him a chance to work on his strengths, he can still make a difference.

Said nobody ever

Said we needed his passing

WTH...

Fuck off

We need Fabregas passing

Nobody will convince me otherwise, Baba can't defend for his life

if the reason why he supposedly asked to be interviewed is to clarify some of the things being published, it makes absolutely no sense that's what he'd come to say. Hazard doesn't have the gene some of his mates have for saying everything he shouldn't, but if he was ever to do that, do you really expect it to be in the club's in house TV? People must be really naive to buy that - although I don't doubt he could say noncommittal things like he did in the past, saying that he doesn't know what will happen in his future. Nobody does anyway and I've always felt that was just Eden being honest about the odds at life. It's fair.

Every bad word I've ever said about this guy (and I said plenty of them)? He made me eat all of them and some more. My bad, through and through. I've never honestly expected him to add the numbers to his game. I've always praised him for his work ethic and work rate, but crucified him for everything else. I went as far as saying he was limited in terms of football brains. While I don't think he's anywhere close to being brilliant, he made the necessary adjustments to become crucial and showed a lot of character when 90% of this team shows 0. There are few football players I fully respect - for too many reasons - but Willian is gaining my profound respect as each day goes. I still see a lot of limitations to his game (but the numbers he added more than make up for them), but none to his character, dedication, willingness and humbleness.

What intrigued me the most was how cryptic his answer to what the problems are. Not that I expected him to answer it, he would never (no manager would), but when he said some of the problems he doesn't even want to touch? I think one of the big detractors of our season is our pre-season. We made a test, it backfired hugely. I also believe some of our players are resting on their laurels and some are just going through some terrible technical form. Of course, I put a lot of over Mourinho's shoulders. He's showed his limitations to drill the attack, he's now seeing how lucky we got with our defense the last two years (that was the only thing I was able to foresee, that sooner or later we were going to get caught simply because we were quiet lucky in the past regarding that and relied a lot in miracles by our keepers). Do I believe the report of someone saying they'd rather lose than win for Mourinho? No way in hell. But I do believe maybe a couple of players are quite unhappy under him. But if there was any player power going on, I think the answer from the stands today was enough for them to rethink about it. It's sort of unprecedented for a manager with the results - but especially displays in the pitch and issues and drama off the pitch - that Mourinho has to receive this kind of support. The players (some of them) might be especially brilliant people, but they're completely capable of understanding what happened today. That's why I believe things will get better. When you don't want to play for your manager and you see the supporters answering like that, the board answering like they did with the statement, you just accept defeat and try to cut your losses. A new manager wouldn't put a lot of money on some players giving how bad they've been playing. That also wouldn't help their fees and interest from other clubs. So yeah, maybe the much needed change will come because fans promoted it, instead of players and manager - who are the main culprits.

Is he already backtracking from something he said just yesterday (or I'm mixing the names and he's not the one with the essay about Mou being fired next week?)? I don't think a professional club will change their mind because of something like that. It sounds pretty amateur, but still something I'd do - as I'm not a director or anything. I'll tell you what. It touched me, it made me proud. I still believe he has to go at the end of the season (but I wouldn't mind giving him a second chance in a new season because I'm a girl, I'm emotional and that was pretty touching). But when all those headlines about us have been so frigging negative, our support go there and just do that. not that media will give it as much attention as the circus they amplified, but Mourinho is right, seeing something like that is not normal, it's not common. I don't think it's a cult as some have implied, I just think fans feel deeply connected to him and feel his connection to the club. I think they believe he can turn it around (I don't), I think they're trying to help to make things better (and I believe it will). Ivanovic looked surprised by that and I think anyone would. I just hope the players don't feel 'jealous'. Mourinho is one to constantly advocate for fans to shout players' names in the stadium instead of his because he knows they need the motivation sometimes. So let's hope they won't feel like 'this guy is making mistake after mistake and they support him like that while they seem tempted to boo us when things go to worse or just go quiet when we need them to shout the loudest). Anyway, what happened at Stamford Bridge today just shows that despite all the shit media and opposition fans say about us, the guys going to the Bridge are classy, special and have nothing with plastic stuff. I also believe they represent the majority of this club's support.

As long as Arsenal exist in the world, no matter how bad things for Chelsea go, there's amusement guaranteed for a lifetime. Weren't they at the top of the world, being at the top of the league (second only by GD) and smashing Bayern? Oops

but he's smart to know what he needs by his side. Look his XI's team... it's the kind of presence he needs to operate on his best. Everyone can see it, maybe except some of the people in charge of our club.

that's the level of our so called fans nowadays. They say all kind of shit about the manager that got them more than 50% of the club's league titles in its history as if respect was a complete foreign concept to them. They call all players all kind of names, including cunts. I don't know if people lack respect themselves, character or what else, but it never ceases to amaze me the tone some use in their posts. And don't come to me saying it's about passion, heat of the moment. Those vomit comments come every time of the day, day in, day out, so yeah, unless they're on constant PMS, don't blame it on emotions. We rightly deserve being called the names we are by opposition fans when I come across those kind of comments. Actually deserve worse, but I have enough common sense to know a few internet guys don't represent the majority of the fans and also to understand opposition fans come from a very bitter place, but I feel ashamed by some of the things I read here. Not only as a Chelsea fan, but as an human being. The values in our society are quickly being thrown in the trash. respect will soon be a word that people won't really comprehend the meaning anymore simply because they now grow up saying whatever they want on internet and will slowly bring that to their real lives as well. It's downhill from here.

Fuck

At least Mourinho can still read some things right. He gestured Mikel was off because he had a yellow and unlike Lucas, another soft foul would without a doubt assure him a second. Tbh right now we look much better

Fabregas can't do worse than Oscar did, can he?

Kenedy's one minute = more done than both Oscar and hazard 58 minutes

Kenedy coming. 15 minutes too late to say the least