Rubber bullets

Lol. Yes, how dare there someone to have the AUDACITY to criticise a player who the clubs pays massive wages to constantly perform below par .

Hm big games, would that be the ones like the Super Cup Final? Club world cup final? Manchester City? United? Some of the big games where he was poor in all of them? The problem I have with the people who through out the word leadership with Lampard is that its used like its some kind of magical pixie dust in order to justify why Lampard should still play a big part in the teams plans. In other words its being used to try and brush of some piss poor performances this season.

But in all those games he is one of the first players to go missing as soon as thier midfield starts to put pressure. Brilliant leadership, would you honestly make him the leader of a platoon about to go to battle when he easily goes missing when things start to get difficult?

It won't be the 4-2-3-1, it will be if he puts Lampard and Ramires in the pivot. Mikel and Ramires should be fine, but the former will just see Ramires being wasted trying to be the DM in order to free up Lampard, who will just be anonymous and picked of by the likes of Toure.

Frank was edited out

What an enigma Torres is - between 10-15 games of dross he has one where he is simply unstoppable, would win you any game that perfromance.

How much do Rubin Kazan use their midfield? Becuase I fear Lampard and Ramires will be anonymous yet again.

Oh, for a moment I thought I was on the transfer forum.

No you plonker.

Oh no not that wanker. If thats the case I definitly do not want Jose to come back.

Well it shows that what ever he touches does not mean it will become a sweet rosy garden that will last for years and years. Which is what some people suggest happened after Jose left and give him credit for any future trophies we won under the context that "Jose built the team".

But to bring another point (which I have expressed repeatadly) its not just about how long you stay there (of course it has a part in it) buts its also the philosphy you use on how to shaoe the dressing room. Jouse Mourinho is football's personifcation of hedonism - he is there if you want instant success (providing you give him bug funds to buy players he wants, ususually those over the age of 25), but its what happens after he leaves, as it seems that he creates a dressing room that is difficult to manage becuase of the big egos he creates and as seen with Inter - filling the team with players in their 20s, past their prime but under him given long term contracts. Meaning its hard to get rid of them to replace them with younger players. As seen with us after years and years of trying to keep the status quo, we are going to have to go through a couple of years of major reconstruction to be a constant force in football. More so look at Inter, after a few years as club who could only get into the Europa league, they are only now starting reconsturct themselves and go into the right direction, replacing their older players that were given huge contracts under Jose with younger players who can take the club forward. We already had our go with Jose's way of running the team, I sincerely believe trying to do it again will just not give us the same success.

He got 96 points in the only La Liga campaing he had with them, at that point the most in Madrid's history. There were two factors that went against him, the fact that one of the greatest teams in history were at their peak and got 99 points (that may also be seen as why the Spanish league is seen as shit and boring for those not supporting the top 2) and that pro-Madrid publications like Marca (who have influences on the running of the club) hated him from day one and seem to staged a horrible media campaign to get him out. The club even admit that had Mourinho not been available they would have given him another season. I think its a bit harsh to say it was a complete failure.

The problem is he is only going to be here for at most 3-4 years at a maximun before leaving either through arguments with the board and/or players. Looking at his tenure in Real Madrid its not certain he is going to be a huge success with us like last time (he has to win the CL this season with Madrid otherwise Madrid fans will considere his reign a massive disappointment) but it does seem that he always leaves with a dressing room with over powered egos and a atmosphere that is prone to be volatile atmosphere for future managers. Klopp would be my dream manager, seems to have the right approach for a club to be sustainable in long term (even if he does not stay there for 5+ years) measurements, but since he is someone who is unikely to agree to join us then someone like Pellegrini. Who bases his tactics on the best players less on trying to create big egos to drive the team.

Yes, in my opinion Lampard should leave the club. And the problem is what you say is his big influence at the club which is the problem. Past experiences hae shown that if Lampard is not in a managers long term plans he kicks ups a fuss and creates a toxic atmosphere in the dressing room, meaning that managers effectively have to try and get them on his side in order to get some working relationship with the drssing room. For someone who should only be used vin a very limited way, that kind of influence is simply toxic for the club. We won't progressive until he leaves and wqhoever comes in as the next manager can shape the team in their own way and not worry about having to accomodate him to make him happy - since he has said in recent interviews (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9862831/Chelseas-Frank-Lampard-has-put-his-recent-form-down-to-playing-regular-football.html and contrary to what he says, he scores goals when playing regularly, useless at actually being a midfielder) that he does not see himself as a squad player - I'm sorry he has got to go.

But the problem is that this is the first time (if he is appointed) he would have gone back to an old club, and going back to an old club who still have a good few number of players whose increadibly big egos (that many argue make it near impossible for other managers to have control in the dressing room unless they take a very lax approach) which were made by him still their. This seems to be a recipe for the direction of the club being nothing more then a lovefest between Mourinho and these players, with this desire to re live the old days being used, which will just a failure.

Yeah just like in against Man City, where we were toothless and he was completly non existant, the Club World Cup final where again he contributed to our toothless perfromance. Or just a few weeks ago against Man United, again another toothless performance with Lampard non-existant again, until after half time when he is subbed off and we give one of the best comebacks in recent memory and get a replay. Remember, this is a guy who braoght Carvalho to Real Madrid, mayed him a major vocal part of the team - despite being increasinly injury and mistake prone, and it took next season for Jose to demote him and usddenly they were secure defensivly. Even though Carvalho was one of the best defenders in Europe does not mean you should keep them and use them in a large capacity becuase they were once great players.

You just basically proven my point, injuries will take much long to heal and years of using painkillers to play through injuries that should be rested have doomed him to early football retirement - taking away any pace he had in his prime - which in this day and age is becoming a more vital part of defending, meaning that we (like with Lampard) would have to do major accomodating tweaking to ouur play to get them in a comfortable position just to play decently.

Yeah, that had major contributions by the likes of Mata, Ramires, Luiz - even the likes of bloody Kalou and Bosingwa. But also a huge amount of luck and everyman get bihind the ball type of football. Whether you agree with that or not, the simple fact is that our team has to be based on the likes of Mata and Hazard - yet I do fear that if Jose comes he will try and re live the glory days by putting the focus on Lampard and Terry - with people like Essien being used in a large capacity, even though they are all clearly past their prime

But whats the point of making him a major part of the team, if he can hardly play? Squad player yes, but the highlight of the defence? Then we are clearly screwing ourselves, if he is our best defender at the moment, then we will have to do major spedning in the summer for defenders who are in their prime and can actually play most of the season..

If Terry is our best defender, a man who is pretty much buggered phyisically the nits a sad situation for us. And Lampard may have been one of the best midfielders in the world in his prime, but now it will just be a case of the team being based around him (Jose and Lampard seem to have an everlasting hard on for each other) even though as soon as we come across teams with a decent midfield (City and even bloody Newcastle) he goes missing. It won't be a case of them being just minor squad players, it will be basically them and Jose trying to re create what happneded in a pass, something that can only fail misrably.

Oh and your not the one who who goes against the grain and tries to be controversial for the sake of it Yeah, at a time when they were all in their prime and could play 50 games a season. But you watch, it will be another season where we have to try and accomodate Lampard in to the team at the expense of the others - even though apart from goals, he hardly contributes anything in the midfield and can only seem comfortable when the oppositions midfield is non-existant (Wigan and West Ham) all the while trying to make the likes of Terry and Essien even though they are either; unable to play more then once a week or have lost so much pace and staina due to knee injuries they offer hardly anything to the team other as an extra number on the team squad.

Another reason why appointing Jose would be a bad idea. It will simply make Chelsea some sort of Old boys gentlemen club with both gushing over each other in an enviroment of nepotism and sentimentality , not to mention with players passing their peak (Ashley Cole) and those who are one small injury from being put in a wheelchair and have no kneecaps (Terry, Cech and Essien) being included aswell. Please, the old order is dead, lets create a new one with the likes of Mata, Hazard, Cesar, Courtois etc.

Mind boggling that some people think that Ivanovic (when he is on form) is still a better right back then Cesar.

You know what I mean, the constant gushing that Chelsea and Jose are only meant for each other all the while expressing it like a five year old who's been told he will have McDonalds for tea, chucking out all sense of rationality and falling to Jose's ability to manipulate the media hook, line and sinker.