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I thought he was performing quite well against Corinthians till the moments he started losing his opportunities. A striker of his caliber has to score goals. As simple as that. I thought he improved his positioning from the beggining of the season to now. I thought he won a lot of aerial balls. But missing golden chances like that one in the last minutes of the match is just unforgivable for any decent striker. He had the ball on his feet, he had plenty of space, he had more than enough time to think what to do, however, his shot went directly to their GK. WTF, I would have scored that. It doesn't matter what he does on the pitch if he doesn't score when he's had plenty of chances. Look at Corinthians' player Danilo moments before their goal. That's the kind of cold calmness I want from a striker. Had it been Torres there, he would have shot directly in the legs of our first defender. More so than a lack of physical form, Torres is in an horrendous mental state. When he's facing opposing GKs he gets nervous as hell and blows most opportunities.

I don't know. Sometimes players like Luiz can become great leaders. If they're able to transmit all that passion and energy to the other players, that is. Luiz lacks some calmness, though. IMHO a leader has to be able to keep his head clear when difficult times come, and I feel Luiz tends to lose control when things are going off, commiting stupid fouls, becoming agressive etc.

We gotta be patient with the lad. It's his first season and he's young. He's had his ups and downs but all in all he's doing great considering everything. Nonetheless, we shouldn't expect a 21-year-old to be winning games for us all by himself, no matter how good prospect Hazard is. That's specially true when the rest of the team is doing so so and you have a shitty striker.

I think ppl criticize Hazard because they have high expectations of him. Higher than those for our other players. He's not playing bad by any means. Maybe not up to his normal standards lately, but not bad at all. Also, I don't know where did this brazilian vs. belgian shit talk come from, but that's just not true. I mean, one guy says something and suddenly it's: "brazilians" dislike Hazard/Belgians, wtf?

I've managed to do that once. It's not as easy as it looks, you gotta miss it by a large margin Btw, impossible to get mad at Mata, such a great person. It's a bliss to read his thoughts on the matches.

And it has costed them about half Torres

For me it's Rafa, hands down. He's spoken shit about Chelsea before. Was Loserpool's manager. He's clueless. He believes and defends Torres. I guess that summarizes it well enough.

I like that. But I'd like to see some quality players sitting on the bench too. I'm not sure, but Sturridge is leaving, isn't he? Torres is worth shit. Is Lukaku coming back?

When government chooses one team to help, that's not good sign. They should mess with none of them. But in doing so, why the second biggest crowd? Why not the first, Flamengo? Why now? When you are already linked with BNDES for loan? When you already got tax cut. When you already got so much from the government, there comes a public bank with the highest sponsorship of the entire country for you club. Yeah, that doens't sound bad at all. Money has no relation with the players you can buy. Ok. And FIFA didn't have so much problem with Morumbi. Our local commité had. And who was in charge of those things? Ricardo Teixeira, our local Don Corleone in regards of football. And who is his best pal? Our fellow Andres Sanchez, Corinthians ex-president. But ok, I still believe in Santa and stuff. There's nothing wrong going on.

Gotta win this, after the shameful defeat on CWC we need to get back on track.

But let's not derail this thread.

Their mistakes are 90% in favor of Corinthians. But well, those things happen, right?

And it surpasses football. You guys mess with my money aswell. Yeah, why would anyone dislike Corinthians? You are sponsored by a public company. The stadium you're building had the taxes cut, you got a loan from public money. Morumbi's reform would cost 300 million from Sao Paulo's account. But now you guys will get this 1 billion stadium with something like 700 million coming indirectly from my pocket. What's not to love about it?

Come on. Refs are always helping you guys out. It's outrageous.

Let me put it this way. Think of a team as dirty as Man Utd. Now place it as your local rival. In the same city. That's Corinthians for me. It's like the hate against Spurs and Utd together. Even if I didn't support Chelsea before, I would be supporting it in this game.

I was pissed like hell with that shit. You may be angry and dislike Corinthians now. But I hate them since long before you've ever heard of them. You have no idea how angry I was watching that yesterday.

Baseball is ULTRA BORING. I can't stand it. But NBA, OMG :blue scalf:

Money would be a serious hindrance. But time would be even more of a problem. I'd lose like a day travelling to and back from england.

And local fans have it easy, they don't know how much I'd give to be able to go to every Chelsea game in Stamford Bridge.

Why the hell would we send security to hit the players when we were the better side in both games? Now let's get a grip, who was the team looking for a fight in both matches? Who was the player bleeding on the pitch? If my memory serves me well, Lucas Moura was the one. And then you have that same team (which has been trying to pick a fight since the first match) trying to invade Sao Paulo locker's room in half-time, what would you expect the team to do? The security intervened, THAT'S JUST FUCKING OBVIOUS. The security were hurt aswell. They tried to break through to hit Sao Paulo's players, the security intervened, they fought the security. They brought everything to themselves. They're the ones to blame. Don't come with this shit to me. Even AFA refused to defend Tigre.

Yeah, right! You're either trolling or you didn't watch the games at all.

At least I got Sao Paulo winning Sudamericana

LMAO. TBH Cech, D. Luiz and Mata had good/decent games.

We're not the first european champions to lose the CWC. Loserpool lost to Sao Paulo in 2005. Barca lost to Internacional in 2006.

The only shot that could have been worse than that would be one to the moon. No decent striker would have shot it directly towards the GK when having plenty of room to think where to put the ball. Torres was frightened like a little boy pissing himself in front of their gk. He will never recover and be a good striker like that.