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It honestly wouldn't surprise me... The way our seasons going we will probably go to the liberty as well and smash them 3-0, qualify for the final then lose to bradford.

1. Torres isn't a star 2. The board would surely prefer to win than lose 3. Disrupt the squad mentality???? Hazard probably does a little dance in the changing rooms when he says ba is starting as he will be able to actually play with a striker who he can count on... 4. If anyhting squad mentality will be more disrupted by keeping playing torres. 5. It's not a difficult dilema, at all. Who is better, the whole world knows who that is, everything else is immaterial.

What he said!

We only allowed 1... But seriously, with petr hopefully back and our captain back in there. We can do it. At least there is no way we can lose on the away goals rule now.

No, and that is why we lost. If we play like that at the liberty stadium in 2 weeks with ba upfront (without the crazy defensive line errors), we will win the game..

I think we set out ok and without the errors we wouldn't have lost this game... The blame falls on him when he leaves our best chance of scoring on the bench til the 80th min. And the blame also falls on him if he doesn't see Ba as number 1. And Demba better be starting vs stoke.

I think everyone saw that torres was shit vs Leeds except a minority. And some people will say about his goals this season and whilst some have been quite spectacular the majority are tap ins and are unimportant or came with a bad performance. He still can't score a 1 on 1 and seems to get lost for 75 Mins on the pitch. And on the rafa front... The blame comes to him on how late he made the changes not the team setup. I would have played torres before giving ba a run of games starting with Stoke and we dominated throughout... I can't remember them having a good chance that wasn't an Ivan present... If he puts ba on at half time or even 60 Mins I am confident we don't have a 2 goal deficit going into the second leg. We saw what he could do in 10 Mins.

I hope rafa is just saying that he didn't think ba was any better than torres in his short time on the pitch to keep the peace as if he actually believes that then he is either a) delusional worst manager ever C) torres fan boy D) roman has told him you can't touch torres. I don't get how every proper Chelsea fan on the planet will tell you that ba is better than torres, yet the one bloke who matters doesn't.

That's what pens are for.

Bit early for that. It's not an ideal situation, but on another day we could have won that 3-0, and with their lead they will probably sit back... Big demba ba will rip them apart... I BELIEVE!

And on the ivan front... He made two awful mistakes... He knows he has done that, and was visably distraught with what he has done, and i have already forgiven him for it because he has done so much and has been very good. Ivan knows he has had one of his worst games ever, mistakes happen...

I agree with you in the sense that i would have started torres with the view of starting demba vs stoke.... My worry and its a big one is that torres will also start vs stoke...

I pretty much agree with everything there, and that basically sums up what will be discussed over the next few days.... BA HAS TO BE NO.1... I don't know a bloke who would still play torres over him, and benitez what the fuck are you smoking! demba ba is clearly a beast... I don't mind torres starting everygame (if it keeps roman happy) providing he is subbed off exactly 53 seconds into the game.

I honestly believe that if we play our best 11 (and they turn up, without stupid mistakes) we will at least get this to penalties... With BA, hazard mata etc we can go there and win by a 2 goal margin... I have the confidence, but if he still thinks that torres is our number 1 striker i am gonna go fucking crazy... It took ba 1 min 30 seconds to do more than torres did in 80 mins...

The weird thing is that we actually played ok, and diminated the game and they had fuck all chances except the ones ivan deciding he wanted to offer them.... Perhaps he is working for the FA and this is some sort of handicap system...

Who is the bloke who left our best chance of scoring on the bench til the 80th minute...

Torres should never fucking start over Demba ba ever... Ba made 2 great chances, nearly had a penalty and put the ball in the back of the net after just 10 Mins... Torres just done jack shit... And Ivan wtf... Awful game from him... 2 legs though I am still optimistic and if we go full strength with BA and not goldilocks we can turn this around I think.

WHEN THE FUCK DID SWANSEA SIGN IVANOVIC!

Oh ffs. What the fuck are you doing

Fuck off ref... Bell end.

We would have at least drawn this If Demba was on earlier... If torres starts vs Stoke I am going to shoot him.

Demba ba is already more effective than torres.

Demba ba is already more effective than torres.

Start Demba vs Swansea in the second leg and things will be good.

Finally, thank Fuck for that.