Shogun

Yeah you screwed that up.

Don't talk about things you don't know.I posted this is the Rafa out thread but I suppose it's better here... The only argument against Moyes being a top manager is for a club like Everton he should have won a trophy, yet most people don't realise just how shit we were when he took over and the following proves that. He took over at the near on end of the 2001-02 season and here are the finishes we had not long before that. 96/97 - 15th 97/98 - 17th 98/99 - 14th 99/00 - 13th 00/01 - 16th 01/02 - 15th Considering in his first season, first XI was: ------------------------------Richard Wright----------------------------- Tony Hibbert------David Weir---------Alan Stubbs----David Unsworth Thomas Gravesen----Li Tie----------Lee Carsley-----Gary Naismith--- ---------------Thomasz Radzinski-------Kevin Campbell---------------- That team was somehow guided to 7th place in Moyes' first proper season, you look at that team and let's be honest it is a relegation team which was reflected the next season when we finished 17th in 03-04 Then we finished 4th in the 04-05 season when we were one of the favourites for relegation and had sold Rooney to Manchester United. Now, lets be honest here that's an absolutely amazing thing to do after finishing 17th and selling your best player for £27m and only spending £8m to cover it in transfers. I don't think many managers could have done that. After crashing out of the champions league qualifiers to a very tough draw against Villareal we finished 11th the following year. After that we had succession of top six finishes for 4 years before finishing 8th, 7th and 7th which brings us up to now. Consider that when David Moyes took over, we'd only finished in the top ten once since the premier league began. In 10 years on a shoe string budget (5.6m net spend since he arrived) he has 8 top 8 finishes under his belt. David Moyes has transformed Everton into an competitive side in my opinion. Sometimes in cups you need luck, had we beat Fiorentina on penalties in 07 we'd have faced PSV in the quarter finals of the Uefa Cup in the 07-08 season and who knows what could have happened from there considering we had already beat the eventual winners. We could have won the FA Cup in 09 but just came short. You look at the team I posted at the top and if I told you at the time that Everton would be competing for Europe regularly in ten years time with a net spend of around £5m in the next ten years then I'm pretty sure all of us would be amazed. I think all that is worth a lot more than a few cup wins. What do you think Birmingham City would have preferred, the league cup or the above? However, I really can't see Moyes going to Chelsea, one thing he often eludes to is that he has a perfect relationship with Bill Kenwright, our chairman. I don't think he believes that Roman could offer the same thing. As for the style of football, the better players he has, the better the football. we've played some great stuff this season.

The only argument against Moyes being a top manager is for a club like Everton he should have won a trophy, yet most people don't realise just how shit we were when he took over and the following proves that. He took over at the near on end of the 2001-02 season and here are the finishes we had not long before that. 96/97 - 15th 97/98 - 17th 98/99 - 14th 99/00 - 13th 00/01 - 16th 01/02 - 15th Considering in his first season, first XI was: ------------------------------Richard Wright----------------------------- Tony Hibbert------David Weir---------Alan Stubbs----David Unsworth Thomas Gravesen----Li Tie----------Lee Carsley-----Gary Naismith--- ---------------Thomasz Radzinski-------Kevin Campbell---------------- That team was somehow guided to 7th place in Moyes' first proper season, you look at that team and let's be honest it is a relegation team which was reflected the next season when we finished 17th in 03-04 Then we finished 4th in the 04-05 season when we were one of the favourites for relegation and had sold Rooney to Manchester United. Now, lets be honest here that's an absolutely amazing thing to do after finishing 17th and selling your best player for £27m and only spending £8m to cover it in transfers. I don't think many managers could have done that. After crashing out of the champions league qualifiers to a very tough draw against Villareal we finished 11th the following year. After that we had succession of top six finishes for 4 years before finishing 8th, 7th and 7th which brings us up to now. Consider that when David Moyes took over, we'd only finished in the top ten once since the premier league began. In 10 years on a shoe string budget (5.6m net spend since he arrived) he has 8 top 8 finishes under his belt. David Moyes has transformed Everton into an competitive side in my opinion. Sometimes in cups you need luck, had we beat Fiorentina on penalties in 07 we'd have faced PSV in the quarter finals of the Uefa Cup in the 07-08 season and who knows what could have happened from there considering we had already beat the eventual winners. We could have won the FA Cup in 09 but just came short. You look at the team I posted at the top and if I told you at the time that Everton would be competing for Europe regularly in ten years time with a net spend of around £5m in the next ten years then I'm pretty sure all of us would be amazed. I think all that is worth a lot more than a few cup wins. What do you think Birmingham City would have preferred, the league cup or the above? However, I really can't see Moyes going to Chelsea, one thing he often eludes to is that he has a perfect relationship with Bill Kenwright, our chairman. I don't think he believes that Roman could offer the same thing.

Can't see you getting through here lads, on e bright side though at least the fat Spanish waiter will be one step closer to leaving.

Surreal story with Marouane here from a kopite (but don't let that put you off) http://marouaneandmebyfeeneyone.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/ding-dong.html?m=1

He said he's signing a five year contract when he turns 18 too.

He's a quiet guy who just loves playing football. doesn't seem money orientated, He's married with two kids (I think the oldest is about nine). I think he's put his family first in life, realises he has a dream 'job' and loves where he is. There's nothing wrong with that.

It honestly wouldn't be worth us selling him for less than £25m and it wouldn't be worth any other team buying him for more than £15m. He's a grounded home boy and pretty much the perfect footballing role model on and off the pitch.

that was really really bad, I can't even look at you straight in your avatar after that man.

no thanks, oh wait I see, nevermind. I'd make a damn fine manager though, I'd just come on here, read back everything Capriciotto posted and use them as guidelines. Hope you all still like Kalou and Malouda!

I've only read like two pages of this thread but I'll try give a take on my neutral view on this match. Dominated the game but was incredibly wasteful, you must have had about 20 shots in that match and over half of them were off target. Regardless of how useless Torres was, he wasn't to blame for all those opportunities that couldn't even hit the target. Mata should have put you ahead when he was 1 on 1 in the penalty area and just hit at Tremmel but then again the way he has played this season I suppose you can't expect him to come up with the goods every single time. Ivanovic was desperately unlucky with the first goal, in most games if that mistake is made ten 9 times out of ten it will come to nothing but Michu produced a bit of magic and Turnbull was a little bit too far off his line for me. The second was just dreadful. On the penalty appeal that Ba was booked for diving, I have the same opinion as Chris Coleman and Dennis Wise in the studio. For me it's not a penalty and not a dive. The ball is going out for a goal kick even if Ba doesn't clash with the keeper, also the keeper is already past Ba and in my view Ba ran into his legs more than anything. The problem with this is that referees seem to think it HAS to be a dive or penalty when it doesn't. Offside goal was unlucky but I don't think you can attach too much blame to the linesman. Ba's shin is probably the only offside bit of his body and within a split second he probably looked well offside to the linesman. He was like 1/10 offside but I'd be annoyed if that was given against Everton. Ba looked very good when he came on, Hazard ran the show for parts but for Irony I put Ivanovic man of the match.

Greg O'Keefe who is a journalist far more involved with the club than these national news papers who latch on to everything said his release clause is a little higher than £22m. Most Everton fans have always thought it was £26m so it probably is.

Try the Swansea board on not606

shame you fucked it up the following game lol

According to Vorm, Swansea will kill you in the home game. I gather you're hoping they'll be focused on Torres as they say that?

He Can play that role, and he plays it very well. He just plays the second striker role better.

I think he could score 200 goals a season and Seb wouldn't like him

He'd probably go to united if he had the choice to be honest. He lives in Manchester anyway.

I'm the one in the middle

He played for Cardiff.

I don't know why you get excited then pissed off as United score late on. They've done it for the last ten years.

Seems quiet today, I can actually load a page for once.

hahahahahahahahahahaHahahahahahaha fuck off Pardew

Nothing works with Torres

Surprised at the pessimism, the FA Cup is like your guarantee of a trophy each season these days.